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1 | Is the request of Christ Granted? | NT general Archive 1 | jlpangilinan | 70619 | ||
Is this request granted? Lu 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. In local telivision in the Philippines a certain pastor aired his teaching regarding this verse. We are going to meet him to have a friendly discussion after December 25,. The teaching of the said pastors goes: 1. Judas was forgiven because he just fulfilled his role in the death of Jesus Christ. a)In the case of judas, his reasoning that the reason why judas did his part because Christ allows the devil to enter the heart of judas All chracter that participated in the death of Jesus Christ was forgiven, pontious pilate, the scribes pharisees and other group of people that gave way to crussified Christ is all saints. The verse that quoted to prove his claim is the verse I quoted. "forgive them for they know not why they do" It means he said, all character in that said events was forgiven because they only fulfill thier role in that scripted way of salvation. Any comments are welcome agree, or disagree. God bless, Johnny |
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2 | Is the request of Christ Granted? | NT general Archive 1 | itiswritten | 77827 | ||
I do not say that I know the judgment of God, but I do not agree that these said persons necessarily are forgiven. Not that it is up to me, nor do I say that this is not God's will. However, I do not think that Scripture backs up this opinion for their are scriptures that call Judas a "son of perdition," and the antichrist a "son of perdition." [John 17:12; 2 Thess. 2:3-4] I don't believe the latter will be saved just because his actions are predicted in Scripture. I believe God chooses such persons because He knows what is inside them and though they have a choice, He also knows what they will do with their choice. The Lord also speaks of pharaoh whose [Ex.in chapters 4,7,8,9,10,11 and 14] heart the scripture says God hardened and alternately pharaoh himself actually hardened. I believe these all tell us that God [who is outside of time constraints and knows the future as well as the past] knew what Pharaoh would do and picked him knowing that although he would have a choice to do otherwise, he would nevertheless fulfill God's purposes in his evil ways though he could have manifested God by good. I hope I have been able to clearly state my view for the descression of all participants involved. If any of these came to repentance before they drew their last breath, I believe the cross of Christ is great enough for their forgiveness...but as far as we can tell from what the Scriptures give us, this was not the case so I believe that they probably did not come to him for forgiveness. I believe that is necessary for salvation. Itiswritten. |
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