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1 | Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 not Satan! | Bible general Archive 1 | Radioman2 | 83409 | ||
son of the morning [I submit the following, not to dispute your posts, but merely to present another interpretation. -- Radioman2] 'Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 'Verses 12-14 evidently refer to Satan, who, as prince of this world-system (see "World," John 7:7; Revelation 13:8, note, Scofield, 1917) is the real though unseen ruler of the successive world- powers, Tyre, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, etc. (see Ezekiel 28:12-14). Lucifer, "day-star," can be none other that Satan. This tremendous passage marks the beginning of sin in the universe. When Lucifer said, "I will," sin began. See Revelation 20:10, note, Scofield 1917. 'See other instances of addressing Satan through another, Genesis 3:15; Matthew 16:22,23. ____________________ 'Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 'Here (Ezekiel 28:12-15), as in Isaiah 14:12 the language goes beyond the king of Tyre to Satan, inspirer and unseen ruler of all such pomp and pride as that of Tyre. Instances of thus indirectly addressing Satan are: Genesis 3:14,15; Matthew 16:23. The unfallen state of Satan is here described; his fall in Isaiah 14:12-14. (See Revelation 20:10, note, Scofield 1917) . But there is more. The vision is not of Satan in his own person, but of Satan fulfilling himself in and through an earthly king who arrogates to himself divine honours, so that the prince of Tyre foreshadows the Beast. (Daniel 7:8; Revelation 19:20).' ____________________ Bibliography Information Scofield, C.I. "Scofield Reference Notes on Isaiah 12 and Ezekiel 28". "Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)". (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/ScofieldReferenceNotes) |
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2 | Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 not Satan! | Bible general Archive 1 | STUDENT7300 | 83457 | ||
Dear Radioman2, I whole-heartedly agree that God many times can speak to Satan through another. But in the two references you cited, Gen. 3:15 and Matt. 16:23, other passages clue us in that this is exactly what the Lord was doing (See Rev. 12:9 and your verse Matt. 16:23). Not so in Isaiah 14 or Ezekiel 28. So without this validation we can only assume that the Lord is literally referring to these two kings. I don't believe there is a way of connecting these two passages, Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, to Satan apart from citing the traditional viewpoint that so many hold. Based on each passage taken by itself, that particular viewpoint falls flat. STUDENT7300 |
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3 | Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 not Satan! | Bible general Archive 1 | Radioman2 | 83462 | ||
re Isaiah 14:12 "Some Christians have seen an allusion to the fall of Satan here, but this seems contextually unwarranted." STUDENT7300 [You make some good points in your previous post. I hope the following quotation will prove to be of interest -- to both of us. :-) --Radioman2] Look how you have fallen from the sky, O shining one, son of the dawn![22] You've been cut down to the ground, O conqueror of the nations! Isa. 14:12 New English Translation (NET) 'Study Note 22. What is the background for the imagery in vv. 12-15? This whole section (vv. 4b-21) is directed to the king of Babylon, who is clearly depicted as a human ruler. Other kings of the earth address him in vv. 9ff., he is called "the man" in v. 16, and, according to vv. 19-20, he possesses a physical body. Nevertheless the language of vv. 12-15 has led some to see a dual referent in the taunt song. These verses, which appear to be spoken by other pagan kings to a pagan king (cf. vv. 9-11), contain several titles and motifs that resemble those of Canaanite mythology, including references to Helel son of Shachar, the stars of El, the mountain of assembly, the recesses of Zaphon, and the divine title Most High. Apparently these verses allude to a mythological story about a minor god (Helel son of Shachar) who tried to take over Zaphon, the mountain of the gods. His attempted coup failed and he was hurled down to the underworld. The king of Babylon is taunted for having similar unrealized delusions of grandeur. Some Christians have seen an allusion to the fall of Satan here, but this seems contextually unwarranted (see J. Martin, BKCOT, 1061)' (www.netbible.com). |
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4 | Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 not Satan! | Bible general Archive 1 | STUDENT7300 | 83479 | ||
Dear Radioman2, Your reference was incredible! It provided me even more insight. Thank you! STUDENT7300 |
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