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1 | What is the "Force of Faith"? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 82161 | ||
Greetings Graceful! One quick correction if I may! Heb. 11:3 does not say 'By faith God spoke the worlds into existence'. It says that 'By faith, we believe...'. What is it that we believe? We believe that 'the ages were completed by the Word of God'. I did a quick scan of the Greek and I could not find a single verse where God was said to do anything 'by faith'. If I may also go on to Heb. 11:1, there is nothing in this verse which teachs that faith is a force capable of creating reality. Examine the context. The NIV translates Heb. 11:1 - "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." Literally, the Greek says, "And faith is assurance of what is being hoped for and deed of proof of what is not being seen." The words 'assurance' (# 5287) and 'deed' (# 1650) are both used in Greek in contexts dealing with contracts. So, what do they mean in this context? Simply this: Those who act in faith, act as though they have already received the promise. Chapter 11 goes on to list all of those who acted in spite of the fact that they had not yet seen what they hoped for. For instance: By faith, we believe that God created, even though we never saw it - v. 3. By faith, Noah built an ark, even though he had not see the rain - v. 7. By faith, Abraham went when he did not know where he was going - v.8. Verse 13 is one of the key verses in this chapter. Listen to what it says. Heb. 11:13 - "All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth." Notice, that it does not say 'By faith, they created the things they wanted'! It says that they did not receive the things promised, yet they acted as though they had. Faith is not a power, but simply a trust or confidence in God. Faith doesn't create reality. Faith ignores reality, and believes God. By this, I don't mean 'positive confession'! ;-) I simply mean that reality doesn't cause me to doubt God's promises even if reality seems to be in opposition to God's promises. My favorite example is Abraham. Abraham didn't go around and speak a position confession, denying that he was too old to have kids. He believe in spite of reality, because God said it. Rom. 4:19 - "Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead?since he was about a hundred years old?and that Sarah?s womb was also dead. 20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised." Faith is powerful, but it is not a power. It is our complete and absolute trust that God will do what He has promised. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | What is the "Force of Faith"? | Bible general Archive 1 | Radioman2 | 82166 | ||
Explaining Away Teachings of Copeland An observation Here on the Forum some of the disciples of Copeland apparently have been well trained by their WOF master. As Copeland is often attempting to explain away what the Bible actually says and means, so his disciples here are attempting to explain away what Copeland actually said, quoted here in HIS OWN WORDS. |
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3 | What is the "Force of Faith"? | Bible general Archive 1 | gracefull | 82192 | ||
Here on the Forum some of the disciples of Copeland apparently have been well trained by their WOF master. As Copeland is often attempting to explain away what the Bible actually says and means, so his disciples here are attempting to explain away what Copeland actually said, quoted here in HIS OWN WORDS. I have been posting his exact words in reference to your post chalenging his statements on Authority of the Believer along with all the scripture (in context). What really worries me here is that none of you can actually disagree with the interpretation of scripture when you see them side by side. I see a hardness of heart that truly troubles me. God bless |
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4 | What is the "Force of Faith"? | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 82208 | ||
There is similarily a certain "hardness of heart" in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles against false teachers. Is it a sacrilege to venture even to ask whether contemporary false teachers and their flock should not be troubled by this scriptural "hardness of heart" that soundly condemns false doctrines, along with those who promulgate them. and also with those who support, believe, and are deceived by them? Is it troubling that Paul was ready to preach the gospel because it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes? [cf. Rom.1:15,16]. Is it troubling and demonstrative of a hardness of heart that Paul charged Timothy to "Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables."? [2 Tim. 4:2,4]. Is is troubling and and was it hard-hearted of Jesus to say, "Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many."? [Matt.24:11]. Our politically correct society, grounded as it is in secular humanism, is breeding a whole generation of namby-pamby, spineless citizens who have no real moral compass or, having one, are by and large too timid to assert whatever Christian convictions they have for fear of offending someone or being ostracised from a society the mainstream of which recognizes no moral or spiritual absolutes, no accountability of man but to man himself, and no such entity as the sovereignty of God. Into this maelstrom of confusion and relativism many who claim to profess Christianity have fallen to such an extent that for them the biblical term "sound doctrine" no longer has any real relevance. They have, hosts of them, diluted the Christian faith from a biblical God-centered theology to a secularly humanistic, feel-good, man-centered (and far more lucrative) theology. --Hank | ||||||
5 | What is the "Force of Faith"? | Bible general Archive 1 | gracefull | 82235 | ||
"There is similarily a certain "hardness of heart" in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles against false teachers. Is it a sacrilege to venture even to ask whether contemporary false teachers and their flock should not be troubled by this scriptural "hardness of heart" that soundly condemns false doctrines, along with those who promulgate them. and also with those who support, believe, and are deceived by them?" Assuming that you are correct, this would be true. My point, again not really addressed, was the fact that in light of scripture and interpretation, the posts I have made with quotes are accurate interpretations and correct the mis statements and accusations of Hank's post. Yet you refuse to acknowledge when the interpretations are correct. That was the point of my post..the hardness of heart is an observation based this statement. God bless |
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6 | What is the "Force of Faith"? | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 82258 | ||
Before I chance to respond, pray clear away the ambiguity of your reference to Hank. Is it Hank, the Bible Answer Man, to whom you refer; or is it I, Hank, the Forum Gadfly who buzzes about with stinging challenges to the Word of Faith disciples and other assorted proponents of various other unscriptural musings? --Hank | ||||||
7 | What is the "Force of Faith"? | Bible general Archive 1 | gracefull | 82266 | ||
"Forum Gadfly who buzzes about with stinging challenges to the Word of Faith disciples and other assorted proponents of various other unscriptural musings? --Hank" Hi Hank- the 'Forum Gadfly' You would be the one. Although I must say, the two of sound an awful lot alike! Did you, by chance, read my posts to winstonchurchill? Since he seemed to be actually asking a question, I directed my posts to him disproving (not in you opinion I am sure) your interpretations. God bless |
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8 | What is the "Force of Faith"? | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 82274 | ||
gracefull: The only obstacle to my having unbridled enthusiam in being compared with the other Hank, the Bible Answer Man Hank, is the keen realization that I hardly merit such an honor! But thanks anyway for the flattery. And I did, but not by chance, read your dissertation to winstonchurchill in which you attempted a line-by-line refutation of the validity of my comments on the excerpts which I took from one of Copeland's articles. But I trust that he, winstonchurchill, read my post in which I juxtaposed my comments alonside direct quotations from Copeland's article. And if the forum's own winstonchurchill has anything approaching the linguistic skills of his namesake, the former esteemed Prime Minister of Great Britain (and my perusal of his posts tells me he does), then I defer to his ability to read and decide for himself whether my footnotes on Copeland's article have any merit. I really don't think that this user, winstonchurchill, exhibits any need whatever to be spoon fed by repeated exposition of what Copeland said or of what Copeland meant by what he said. Have a fine day and, again, thanks for the flattery! --Hank | ||||||