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1 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | gracefull | 82036 | ||
winstonchurchill. If I may take a little time here..as you have noticed something that needs to be addressed... I have been in this discussion several times and the debate is never 'accurate'. Let me give some examples. Hank said: "Jesus came to earth as a man for one reason: to recapture the authority that Satan had stolen through Adam's disobedience in the garden." (And all this time I've been believing what the Bible says about the sovereignty of God! And that Jesus came to the earth as the Savior of those who believe in Him.) Here is the first statement in the teaching paper Hank is quoting from...Brother Copeland states:"As new creations we have been put in a position of power and authority-a position delegated to us by God through Jesus Christ. Along with that authority come certain responsibilities. I want to examine God's Word concerning that position and the authority we have in Him. Notice that Hank's deragatory statement regarding the sovereignty of God implying KC(to save time and speed I will use KC)does not believe in the sovereignty of God. He did not post this very first statement of the teaching which clearly does state that God is sovereign. 1. GOD delegated authority THROUGH Jesus Christ. Delegate means a person designated to act for or represent another or others. To commit(powers or functions) to another as agent.(Webster) 2. He clearly states the authority carries responsibility. Now to place the statement quoted where Hank implies KC does not believe Jesus Christ came to be our saviour I would first like to place the statement in context(a matter I believe ALL on the forum will agree with-context is critical to accurate understanding) KC said:"Jesus succeeded in securing all power by going to the cross, dying a horrible death, suffering the penalty of sin, and defeating Satan in the pit of hell. He came to earth as a man for one reason: to re-capture the authority that Satan had stolen through Adam's disobedience in the garden. Jesus was called the last Adam(1 Cor. 15:45) After securing that power and authority, He freely gave it over into the hands of those who would believe on Him-you and me. It is not enough for us to simply accept Jesus' work on Calvary. We are held responsible for much more. Jesus'words in the 16th chapter of Mark were not intended for the early church alone. His words are just as vital and real today as when they were first spoken." The key statement in these two paragraphs is "It is not enough for us to simply accept Jesus' work on Calvary. We are held responsible for much more." KC is not understating the blood sacrifice for our sins...He is stating that the GOSPEL does not stop at the cross, where many believers do tend to stop. He is saying Jesus died for our total liberty, to break the power of darkness in our lives and that we are to walk in that liberty as witnesses to other! He goes on to remind readers of Jesus' final words spoken to the disciples before His ascension in Mark 16...GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL.... The Gospel goes far beyond simply saving us from eeternal damnation in hell...Throughout the New Covenant we are reminded that the authority of the power of darkness has been broken in our lives. He who had the power of death has been defeated. Hank said: 2] "It is not enough for us simply to accept Jesus work at Calvary." (Kenny, please tell us why Christ's death is insufficient). winston, Do you hear 'insufficient'? I hear MORE THAN ENOUGH! Hank SAID: [3] As a believer, you have accepted the substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus at Calvary. Therefore, you are a part of His body and are seated with Him in that heavenly place, equipped with the same power, the same authority that He has." (Wow! Thanks, Kenny, for letting me know that I'm now equal in power and authority to God. I bet I could leap over tall buildings in a single bound, if I half tried. Wow!) In context:"In the first chapter of Ephesians, Paul prayed for the body of believersin Ephesus. One part of that prayer was that they know the 'exceeding greatness of His power to those who believe (Ephe.1:19). that exceeding great power is the same power that God used to raise Jesus from the dead and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenlies. Ephesians 1:21 tells us that Jesus is seated far above 'all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named'. The work that God did in Jesus was supreme. He raised Jesus from the dead and set Him far above all authority-not in this world, but also in the heavenly world. Then verse 22 says that God has put ALL things under His feet and made Him head over the church which is His body.Where are the feet? As believers, we are part of His body and we are seated with Him in the highly exalted place of authority. Praise God!" winston, I am out of space and time..read Ephesians 2 and I will pick up here later. God bless |
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2 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | winstonchurchill | 82094 | ||
Graceful, Thanks for your lengthy post. Much of what you cite appears to be the traditional teaching of the Biblical doctrine of sanctification, i.e. the impact of God's relationship with us through Christ in our daily lives. Now, we should recognize that our Calvinist brethren have a much different (and more truncated) view of sanctification and see the benefits of salvation primarily as a change of legal status before God. Naturally, they will have great problems with teaching which discuss or encourage a sanctifying effect upon us here. Having said that, I have great concern for the 'prosperity' concepts which I have heard discussed (although it is unclear to me how much of this Copeland supports). Material prosperity is no more a sign of a sanctified believer than is good physical health. The Gospel is not an insurance policy against adversity in this life. |
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3 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | gracefull | 82107 | ||
Hello winstonchurchill... I know it was lengthy but when exerps are extracted and commented on in such a way, it takes time and space to counter properly. The post is not really for our Calvinist brothers. Without the Holy Spirit revealing truth to our spirit, we will not hear. The post is for seekers of the truth who may be indimidated into being fearul of teaching that conflicts with 'orthodox theology'. It is for passers by to hear both sides, compare scripture and pray for revelation from the Holy Spirit. If we only hear one side, we believe that is the only side. Somewhere in Proverbs Solomon says that one side seems right until you hear the other side... And as the old saying goes, the truth is somewhere in the middle. On prosperity, I see God's provision for furthurance of the gospel, feeding the homeless and hungry. If God wants to give someone a jet to fly to Africa and preach...so be it...Why should that bother me? I should be GLAD! But if my call is to feed the homeless downtown, I need money and a way to get there and the liberty to do so. Debt and poverty are bondage. It is a matter of the call and the need, mine and theirs. Mine is met as I am obedient to theirs. Healing is a different matter. While sickness and poverty can be seen as part of the curse, Jesus addressed sickness much more than poverty. Isaiah 53...healing is stated along with salvation and healing here means to be made whole..spirit, soul, body. Purhaps we can talk at a later time on this. It would be nice to converse with someone who is not so..shall we say... negative. I will finish the post on the Authority of the Believer tomorrow. God bless. |
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