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1 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | gracefull | 82036 | ||
winstonchurchill. If I may take a little time here..as you have noticed something that needs to be addressed... I have been in this discussion several times and the debate is never 'accurate'. Let me give some examples. Hank said: "Jesus came to earth as a man for one reason: to recapture the authority that Satan had stolen through Adam's disobedience in the garden." (And all this time I've been believing what the Bible says about the sovereignty of God! And that Jesus came to the earth as the Savior of those who believe in Him.) Here is the first statement in the teaching paper Hank is quoting from...Brother Copeland states:"As new creations we have been put in a position of power and authority-a position delegated to us by God through Jesus Christ. Along with that authority come certain responsibilities. I want to examine God's Word concerning that position and the authority we have in Him. Notice that Hank's deragatory statement regarding the sovereignty of God implying KC(to save time and speed I will use KC)does not believe in the sovereignty of God. He did not post this very first statement of the teaching which clearly does state that God is sovereign. 1. GOD delegated authority THROUGH Jesus Christ. Delegate means a person designated to act for or represent another or others. To commit(powers or functions) to another as agent.(Webster) 2. He clearly states the authority carries responsibility. Now to place the statement quoted where Hank implies KC does not believe Jesus Christ came to be our saviour I would first like to place the statement in context(a matter I believe ALL on the forum will agree with-context is critical to accurate understanding) KC said:"Jesus succeeded in securing all power by going to the cross, dying a horrible death, suffering the penalty of sin, and defeating Satan in the pit of hell. He came to earth as a man for one reason: to re-capture the authority that Satan had stolen through Adam's disobedience in the garden. Jesus was called the last Adam(1 Cor. 15:45) After securing that power and authority, He freely gave it over into the hands of those who would believe on Him-you and me. It is not enough for us to simply accept Jesus' work on Calvary. We are held responsible for much more. Jesus'words in the 16th chapter of Mark were not intended for the early church alone. His words are just as vital and real today as when they were first spoken." The key statement in these two paragraphs is "It is not enough for us to simply accept Jesus' work on Calvary. We are held responsible for much more." KC is not understating the blood sacrifice for our sins...He is stating that the GOSPEL does not stop at the cross, where many believers do tend to stop. He is saying Jesus died for our total liberty, to break the power of darkness in our lives and that we are to walk in that liberty as witnesses to other! He goes on to remind readers of Jesus' final words spoken to the disciples before His ascension in Mark 16...GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL.... The Gospel goes far beyond simply saving us from eeternal damnation in hell...Throughout the New Covenant we are reminded that the authority of the power of darkness has been broken in our lives. He who had the power of death has been defeated. Hank said: 2] "It is not enough for us simply to accept Jesus work at Calvary." (Kenny, please tell us why Christ's death is insufficient). winston, Do you hear 'insufficient'? I hear MORE THAN ENOUGH! Hank SAID: [3] As a believer, you have accepted the substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus at Calvary. Therefore, you are a part of His body and are seated with Him in that heavenly place, equipped with the same power, the same authority that He has." (Wow! Thanks, Kenny, for letting me know that I'm now equal in power and authority to God. I bet I could leap over tall buildings in a single bound, if I half tried. Wow!) In context:"In the first chapter of Ephesians, Paul prayed for the body of believersin Ephesus. One part of that prayer was that they know the 'exceeding greatness of His power to those who believe (Ephe.1:19). that exceeding great power is the same power that God used to raise Jesus from the dead and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenlies. Ephesians 1:21 tells us that Jesus is seated far above 'all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named'. The work that God did in Jesus was supreme. He raised Jesus from the dead and set Him far above all authority-not in this world, but also in the heavenly world. Then verse 22 says that God has put ALL things under His feet and made Him head over the church which is His body.Where are the feet? As believers, we are part of His body and we are seated with Him in the highly exalted place of authority. Praise God!" winston, I am out of space and time..read Ephesians 2 and I will pick up here later. God bless |
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2 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 82091 | ||
Graceful Let me just address the last part of this. You said, "He raised Jesus from the dead and set Him far above all authority-not in this world, but also in the heavenly world. Then verse 22 says that God has put ALL things under His feet and made Him head over the church which is His body. Where are the feet? As believers, we are part of His body and we are seated with Him in the highly exalted place of authority." No where in the Bible does it say we are the body of Christ except in an allegory of the church. What Jesus was saying when we accept Him as Lord and Savior we unite with other believers making up the church with Jesus as the head. There is no basis either implied or assumed to say we are Jesus’ physical body and since all authority has been given Him we also being his body have that authority. You took a true statement, “we are the body of Christ with Jesus being the head” which was made in reference to the church.” And the statement, all authority has been given to Jesus”, which it was. Ignored the allegory and meaning and came up with, “since we are the body of Christ and He has all authority we too have that authority” That is simply a false statement. Your further took two more truths, “Jesus sits at the right hand of God” and once again “we are his body” and falsely surmised we to sit at God’s right hand. Once again we are not Jesus’ physical body, it was an allegory demonstrating the preciousness of the church not something making us by authority, power, or position one with Christ. Only Jesus has the right to sit at God’s right hand. We can not even go into God’s presence unless it is by the blood of Jesus. To say what you did elevate man to the level as Jesus, and nothing could be further from the truth. EdB |
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3 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | gracefull | 82098 | ||
"No where in the Bible does it say we are the body of Christ except in an allegory of the church. What Jesus was saying when we accept Him as Lord and Savior we unite with other believers making up the church with Jesus as the head. There is no basis either implied or assumed to say we are Jesus’ physical body and since all authority has been given Him we also being his body have that authority. You took a true statement, “we are the body of Christ with Jesus being the head” which was made in reference to the church.” And the statement, all authority has been given to Jesus”, which it was. Ignored the allegory and meaning and came up with, “since we are the body of Christ and He has all authority we too have that authority” That is simply a false statement." An allegory is a pictoral device or symbol illustrating an idea.... The illustrated idea of us as Jesus body would be that we are an extention of His headship, His Lordship...Are you the head of your household? Isn't that allegoric? So you don't see the term head/body as saying we are the extension of the head? And since these verses are speaking regarding authority I do not see this is a stretch at all. "To say what you did elevate man to the level as Jesus, and nothing could be further from the truth." This statement illuminates the fear that restrains many in the body from stepping up to the plate and fulfilling their call. In Jesus we have been given all things that pertain to life and Godliness. GIVEN being the predominate word. Jesus authority in and through us...not our authority...His authority..through us if we believe. He said You go in My name.....No this does not elevate us to Jesus level in the sense that we become Him. We are the 'body' He is the 'head'. The head is the authority, we are the body to which the authority has been delegated. One could also use the term 'empowered'. Empowered to cast out the devil...empowered to lay hands on the sick.. God bless |
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4 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 82110 | ||
graceful You managed to do what no one else on the forum has been able to do. Render me speechless. Your saying your Christ's equal. Doesn't that bother you just a little? Do you really think you can walk into a grave yard and command someone buried there to arise? EdB |
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5 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | gracefull | 82113 | ||
Christ provided all believers, as a gift,through His blood, His righteousness, His justification for the purpose of His work. God the Father sent His Holy Spirit to dwell in me to empower for service..If you interpret that as equal with Christ you have a problem. Without Him I would be nothing, with Him I am His child and can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. "Do you really think you can walk into a grave yard and command someone buried there to arise?" Do YOU believe Mark 16? Or do you believe it's presence in scripture is an error? God bless |
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6 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | BradK | 82117 | ||
Dear Graceful, I for one would not say of Mark 16 "it's presence in scripture is an error." I believe it a matter of Biblical interpretation. We must certainly understand the context of the passage, and note who is speaking, who is being spoken to, and what is being spoken about. That Mark 16 is scripture is not in question, but rather is its' application today valid? I would not hold that its' command is still binding and therefore relevant today. We do not see as "normative"( and I emphasize this term)the casting out of demons, tongues, drinking of deadly poison, and miraculous healings. The problem with resurecting the dead (or resuscitations) is that we find few examples in scripture. Again, it's not normative! In the OT we have 1 Kings 17:17-23, 2 Kings 4:32-37 and 13:21. In the NT we have Jesus Ministry of Matt. 9:24-25, Luke 7:12-15, John 11:43, and the apostles in Acts 9:36-41, 20:9-12. A total of 8 recorded instances. I would expect it to be in every book of the Bible ( and at that several times) for us to develop a doctrine. Would you not agree? Speaking the Truth In Love, BradK |
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7 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | gracefull | 82169 | ||
In reference to your statement concerning Mark 16: You said.. "I would not hold that its' command is still binding and therefore relevant today." I do believe it is relevant and binding today. You said: "The problem with resurecting the dead (or resuscitations) is that we find few examples in scripture. Again, it's not normative! In the OT we have 1 Kings 17:17-23, 2 Kings 4:32-37 and 13:21. In the NT we have Jesus Ministry of Matt. 9:24-25, Luke 7:12-15, John 11:43, and the apostles in Acts 9:36-41, 20:9-12. A total of 8 recorded instances. I would expect it to be in every book of the Bible ( and at that several times) for us to develop a doctrine. Would you not agree?" Mark 16:16-18 makes no mention of raising the dead. "(21) He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. 17 "These signs will accompany those who have believed: (22) in My name they will cast out demons, they will (23) speak with new tongues; 18 they will (24) pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will (25) lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." I did not bring up the subject of raising the dead, nor did I at any time in any of my post state or even imply that raising the dead should or could be commonplace. Ed asked that question to create controversy. Read MY posts. God bless |
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8 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 82177 | ||
Graceful "Ed asked that question to create controversy" Me create controversy? Your the one that said your Christ's equal. Your reasoning was that since we are the body of Christ we also have his authority and I might add sit at the right hand of the Father. Pretty high exalted position. I simply asked that since you had Jesus' authority if you could walk in the grave yard and command a body to rise. You went off the Mark 16 trail. Read your posts!!!!! EdB |
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9 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | gracefull | 82201 | ||
Ed, I apologize if this statement was a misjudgement of your motives. As I do not recall saying anything about raising the dead, I can't see any other reason for you to make such a statement. "Your the one that said your Christ's equal." No Ed...I did not say that. This is your interpretation of what I said...I did not say I AM THE HEAD. I am part of the body..and according to Mark 16 have been empowered for service. "I simply asked that since you had Jesus' authority if you could walk in the grave yard and command a body to rise. You went off the Mark 16 trail. Read your posts!!!!!" Where in my posts did I talk about raising the dead? If you will direct me to a post where I said anything about raising the dead, I would appreciate it. Scripture does not address 'raising the dead' except in extraordinary cases and the Holy Spirit would direct that if He wanted to. God bless |
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10 | What about so-called revelation knowledg | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 82363 | ||
Graceful What you said is what I said you said. What you meant may have been entirely different. What I suspect you did was copied a WOF statement, reading it to mean what you think and believe. However that is not what it said, but go back analyze it again. You will see you said you have Christ's authority because your part of His body. You also stated your sitting at the right hand of God. This is the problem with WOF they slip stuff past you. EdB |
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