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1 | Do we go directly to Heaven? | Bible general Archive 1 | grlshockey | 72036 | ||
Do we go directly to Heaven? Cuz in Luke we hear about the prisoner who asks Jesus to remember him and Jesus said he would be with him in Paradise today...but then John 5:29 says "and come out of their graves: those who have done good will rise and live, and those who have done evil will rise and be condemned" So is there a period of rest? Or do we go directly to Heaven? | ||||||
2 | Do we go directly to Heaven? | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72038 | ||
continued from previous post... What about the promise Jesus gave to the thief on the cross? "Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." Jesus never lied yet three things show that He did not see that thief in heaven: (1) the Bible definition of death is eternal sleep; (2) after His resurrection (three days after He died) Jesus told Mary Magdalene that He had not yet gone to heaven but that He was going now. John 20:17; (3) That thief did not even die on that day. Note in John 19:31-33 that the thieves were taken down from their crosses while they were still alive and would have been put back on them after the Sabbath was over. What then did Jesus mean when He said, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise”? The words have been translated accurately enough to make no difference, but notice that the original languages of the Bible have no punctuation. All the periods, commas, question marks, colons, etc. (as well as chapter and verse separation) were supplied by humans as they translated the originals into English. Could it be that the punctuation could change the meaning if put in the wrong place? Note again: "Verily I say unto thee, (comma) today shalt thou be with me in paradise". What if the comma has been misplaced and belongs after the word today and not before? "Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with me in paradise". Instead of Jesus promising the thief that they would be in paradise THAT DAY, which was obviously a lie, He said, "I tell you this today (right now), that you will be with me in paradise". This was not a promise to be with Jesus that day in heaven but rather a promise given that day that at some later date the thief would be with Jesus in paradise. So Jesus did not lie and the Bible is still in harmony with itself. A human error was the cause of this confusion." Anyway, I hope this helps. I know I have only scratched the surface here. I have more information on this subject if you're interested. Just ask. David |
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3 | Do we go directly to Heaven? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 72053 | ||
David You are putting words and meanings to the Bible that just aren't there. First in John 19:31-33 it does not say the thieves would be taken down and put back up. It says they legs were broken so they wouldn't be on the cross for the Sabbath. Death by crucifixion comes from asphyxiation. The victim is forced to push against the nails driven in his foot to get a breath of air. Slowly he is worn down and unable to lift his body and he dies. To speed the process for whatever reason the legs of the victim was broken (hit in the knee with a heavy mallet) so they could no longer lift themselves to breath and death was short coming. Second Jesus did not say he did not go heaven. He said do not cling to me have for I have not yet ascended to the Father. In the Greek the meaning of the statement is and I paraphrase, do not slow me down I have much to do before I ascend to the Father. Which we know He did forty days later. Hebrews 9:12-14, 24 that Jesus entered the tabernacle in heaven and offered his blood as the perfect sacrifice. Jesus had to be in heaven to do that. Thirdly Jesus said to the thief to day you will be with me in paradise. We know Jesus went to Hades (translated hell) to lead the captivity captive Ephesians 4:8. We alos know from Luke 16 that Hades or the holding place for the dead was divided into two sections one a hot dry place where the unrighteous go upon death and the Abraham’s Bosom or paradise where the righteous went before Jesus’ death. Since Jesus’ death Paul tells us in 5:8 to be absent from the body (dead) is to be present with the Lord (Jesus) who is in heaven. EdB |
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