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1 | What do you base this on? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 43895 | ||
Hello Sctt, You wrote: Now as to Lucifer I have heard 3 differant points of view on who he was 1st Satan, 2nd Adam ,3rd the Antichrist. I think the scriptures rule out Satan because we no that by man sin entered into the world.So I think it to be the 2nd or 3rd option. I myself lean towards the Antichrist. What do you base your conclusion on in each of these three options? Raven |
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2 | What do you base this on? | Bible general Archive 1 | Sctt | 44118 | ||
Hi Raven I'll try to explain the 3 options as best I can. The first 2 i'll just touch on as I myself lean towards the antichrist. The 3 opinion will be in more detail.Lets start by looking at who Lucifer is , he is called the king of Babylon Is.14:4 and he is said to be a man verse 16. Now if Lucifer is Satan how come he is called a man? nowhere in the bible that I know of does it call Satan a man. So this rules out Satan being Lucifer. Now as to Lucifer being Adam it is taken from Eze.28:12-19 says thou hast been in Eden the garden of God,and speaks of the day thou wast created. Now we know Adam was indeed in the garden of Eden,and we know that he was created. Now because the word created is used here and God only created Adam (all others are born,their reasoning not mine) It is believed that this can only be Adam. But God uses the word created for more then just Adam as seen in Ps.102:18, Is.43:7,21:30,and Mal.2:10. So you can see the reasoning behind those that believe this to be Adam. Now as to the antichrist which is who I believe this to be. Is.14:13-14 Lucifer says in his heart I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Now read 2Thes.2:3-10 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Are they not speaking of the same person. Now lets look in Eze.28:11-16 I will give way to Adam Clarke on this part as he understands Hebrew far better then I. Verse 12. Thou sealest up] This has been translated, "Thou drawest thy own likeness."Thou formest a portrait of thyself;and hast represented thyself the perfection of wisdom and beauty." I believe this to be the meaning of the place. Verse 13. Thou hast been in Eden] This also is a strong irony.Thou art like Adam, when in his innocence and excellence he was in the garden of Eden! Every precious stone was thy covering] Verse 14. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth] The irony is continued; and here he is likened to the CHERUB that guarded the gates of Paradise, and kept the way of the tree of life; or to one of the cherubs whose wings, spread out, covered the mercy-seat. Thou mast upon the holy mountain of God] The irony is still continued; and now he is compared to Hoses, and afterwards to one of the chief angels, who has walked up and down among the stones of fire; that is, thy floors have been paved withprecious stones, that shone and sparkled like fire. Verse 15. Thou wast perfect in thy ways] The irony seems still to be kept up. Thou hast been like the angels, like Moses, like the cherubs, like Adam, like God, till thy iniquity was found out. From Adam Clarkes commentary on Eze.28:12-15. Now look at this in the light of Is.14:12-14 and 2Thes.2:3-10 do they not all point to the antichrist. All scripture taken from KJV. In Christ Scott. |
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3 | What do you base this on? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 44191 | ||
Scott: You wrote: "The first 2 i'll just touch on as I myself lean towards the antichrist. The 3 opinion will be in more detail.Lets start by looking at who Lucifer is , he is called the king of Babylon Is.14:4 and he is said to be a man verse 16. Now if Lucifer is Satan how come he is called a man? nowhere in the bible that I know of does it call Satan a man. So this rules out Satan being Lucifer." Only verses 12-14 are addressed toward Lucifer, as the being standing behind what is going on in Babylon. Again, Lucifer is no more the actual human king of Babylon in Isaiah's time than he is the human king of Tyre in Ezekiel's day. Lucifer is Satan, the one who has fallen from heaven (verse 12). In Ezekiel, Lucifer is described as a cherub -- an ANGEL. Lucifer is Satan. Your analysis is flawed. You discount that Lucifer is Satan because part of the prophecy is directed toward a MAN, and then you accept the "antichrist" theory and say he is only LIKE a cherub, rather than an actual cherub like the prophecy directly states when referring to Lucifer. Go with what historically has been held by the church. Lucifer is Satan. --Joe! |
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4 | What do you base this on? | Bible general Archive 1 | Sctt | 44205 | ||
Joe my analysis is not flawed , you take 2 verses and say this is talking about Satan , but the rest is talking about a man. You break up the flow of the scriptures to make them fit to you own interpitation of what they say. You also say go with what historically has been held by the church. read what Adam Clarke , Jamieson,Fausset,Brown and John Calvin have to say about these verses. You may be suprised just what the historical church held.In Christ Scott |
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