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1 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | Sctt | 43881 | ||
Hi new creature you asked How did sin originate? I look at it like this:GEN.3:1-7 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden. Who is this serpent that is so subtil ( crafty , sly , shrewd ) and has the gift of speech? Unregenerated man ( man without Christ in his life ). Who else but man has the gift of speech , and can reason. You may say a parrot can talk but can it reason? Balaams ass spoke but it was God that opened her mouth NU.22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam. Nowhere is it said that God opened the mouth of the serpent. This serpent has the gift of speech and can still talk and reason today. Now some have said that the serpent lost its gift of speech as part of its punishment , but nowhere in the bible does it say this. Therefore we must conclude that the serpent can still talk today. Who else is this then but Unregenerated man. Now this serpent ( man ) comes and reasons with the woman to deceive her into disobedience to Gods command. Now in order to understand how the woman was deceived we have to look at what God says concerning the tree of Knowledge of good and evil. GEN.2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. What is this tree that can bring death to man? Now we know that death comes because of sin RO.5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin. Therefore we can see that it is sin that brings death to man , but what brings us the knowledge of what sin is? The law. RO.3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Therefore the tree of knowledge of good and evil is the law for by eating of the tree death entered into the world. Now is the knowledge of good and evil ( the law ) sin RO.7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. So then if the eating of the law was not sin what was? Was it not in the breaking of the commandment THOU SHALT NOT, the fruit itself was not the sin , for after God created all the trees He saw that it was good.Gen.1:12 So then why did God command man not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil if there was nothing sinful in the fruit. Is it not because God placed a covering over man in the commandment THOU SHALT NOT , so that man would not see his sinful nature (remember man was created outside of the garden ) because when man sees himself though the eyes of a righteous God his sins overwhelm him and he runs and hides from God , just as Adam hid himself when his eyes became open. Where else do we find the phase THOU SHALT NOT is it not in the commandments that God set down for all men. (Ten commandments ) Therefore the phase THOU SHALT NOT is a commandment of covering , if we listen to it we do not eat of our sinful nature, but we have a foreshadowing of the covering that Jesus Christ gives us. Therefore it was not the eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that was mans sin but the breaking of the commandment THOU SHALT NOT. Now as to Lucifer I have heard 3 differant points of view on who he was 1st Satan, 2nd Adam ,3rd the Antichrist. I think the scriptures rule out Satan because we no that by man sin entered into the world.So I think it to be the 2nd or 3rd option. I myself lean towards the Antichrist. |
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2 | What do you base this on? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 43895 | ||
Hello Sctt, You wrote: Now as to Lucifer I have heard 3 differant points of view on who he was 1st Satan, 2nd Adam ,3rd the Antichrist. I think the scriptures rule out Satan because we no that by man sin entered into the world.So I think it to be the 2nd or 3rd option. I myself lean towards the Antichrist. What do you base your conclusion on in each of these three options? Raven |
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3 | What do you base this on? | Bible general Archive 1 | Sctt | 44118 | ||
Hi Raven I'll try to explain the 3 options as best I can. The first 2 i'll just touch on as I myself lean towards the antichrist. The 3 opinion will be in more detail.Lets start by looking at who Lucifer is , he is called the king of Babylon Is.14:4 and he is said to be a man verse 16. Now if Lucifer is Satan how come he is called a man? nowhere in the bible that I know of does it call Satan a man. So this rules out Satan being Lucifer. Now as to Lucifer being Adam it is taken from Eze.28:12-19 says thou hast been in Eden the garden of God,and speaks of the day thou wast created. Now we know Adam was indeed in the garden of Eden,and we know that he was created. Now because the word created is used here and God only created Adam (all others are born,their reasoning not mine) It is believed that this can only be Adam. But God uses the word created for more then just Adam as seen in Ps.102:18, Is.43:7,21:30,and Mal.2:10. So you can see the reasoning behind those that believe this to be Adam. Now as to the antichrist which is who I believe this to be. Is.14:13-14 Lucifer says in his heart I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Now read 2Thes.2:3-10 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Are they not speaking of the same person. Now lets look in Eze.28:11-16 I will give way to Adam Clarke on this part as he understands Hebrew far better then I. Verse 12. Thou sealest up] This has been translated, "Thou drawest thy own likeness."Thou formest a portrait of thyself;and hast represented thyself the perfection of wisdom and beauty." I believe this to be the meaning of the place. Verse 13. Thou hast been in Eden] This also is a strong irony.Thou art like Adam, when in his innocence and excellence he was in the garden of Eden! Every precious stone was thy covering] Verse 14. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth] The irony is continued; and here he is likened to the CHERUB that guarded the gates of Paradise, and kept the way of the tree of life; or to one of the cherubs whose wings, spread out, covered the mercy-seat. Thou mast upon the holy mountain of God] The irony is still continued; and now he is compared to Hoses, and afterwards to one of the chief angels, who has walked up and down among the stones of fire; that is, thy floors have been paved withprecious stones, that shone and sparkled like fire. Verse 15. Thou wast perfect in thy ways] The irony seems still to be kept up. Thou hast been like the angels, like Moses, like the cherubs, like Adam, like God, till thy iniquity was found out. From Adam Clarkes commentary on Eze.28:12-15. Now look at this in the light of Is.14:12-14 and 2Thes.2:3-10 do they not all point to the antichrist. All scripture taken from KJV. In Christ Scott. |
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4 | What do you base this on? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 44191 | ||
Scott: You wrote: "The first 2 i'll just touch on as I myself lean towards the antichrist. The 3 opinion will be in more detail.Lets start by looking at who Lucifer is , he is called the king of Babylon Is.14:4 and he is said to be a man verse 16. Now if Lucifer is Satan how come he is called a man? nowhere in the bible that I know of does it call Satan a man. So this rules out Satan being Lucifer." Only verses 12-14 are addressed toward Lucifer, as the being standing behind what is going on in Babylon. Again, Lucifer is no more the actual human king of Babylon in Isaiah's time than he is the human king of Tyre in Ezekiel's day. Lucifer is Satan, the one who has fallen from heaven (verse 12). In Ezekiel, Lucifer is described as a cherub -- an ANGEL. Lucifer is Satan. Your analysis is flawed. You discount that Lucifer is Satan because part of the prophecy is directed toward a MAN, and then you accept the "antichrist" theory and say he is only LIKE a cherub, rather than an actual cherub like the prophecy directly states when referring to Lucifer. Go with what historically has been held by the church. Lucifer is Satan. --Joe! |
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5 | What do you base this on? | Bible general Archive 1 | Sctt | 44205 | ||
Joe my analysis is not flawed , you take 2 verses and say this is talking about Satan , but the rest is talking about a man. You break up the flow of the scriptures to make them fit to you own interpitation of what they say. You also say go with what historically has been held by the church. read what Adam Clarke , Jamieson,Fausset,Brown and John Calvin have to say about these verses. You may be suprised just what the historical church held.In Christ Scott |
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