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1 | Pretribulation or slightly after ? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 42598 | ||
CONTINUED If we understand that the DAY of THE WRATH of Him that sits upon the Throne and of the LAMB is being poured out upon unrepentant man , then we know that we are kept from it. So for clarity when discussing the Day of Judgement I will call it the Great Day of God's Wrath instead of Tribualtion so that you do not mix up what I am saying with the type of testing and adversity we all face and some more than others. After you examine the doctrine of the Judgement of the Lord upon man prior to the New Heavens and Earth and after you master the doctrine of a bodily resurrection then it is time to examine the passages about a church that is changed and glorified and rises to meet the Lord (rapture). This rumor that the pre-trib view started in the 19th century is not accurate. I have numerous books in my library that reference the doctrine of a generation of saints that are changed in a moment and rise and meet the Lord and then afterwards an ongoing time of judgement upon those that remain that date back to the middle ages. I have a book that is one of the best and most scholarly expositions on Revelation by a man named James A. Siess titled "The Apocalypse" that was written in the 18th century (late 1700s) and he even used the word rapture. Siess cites numerous rescources in his book of ancient writers that held similar views based on the same verses we use today to explain the rapture. No Granted there is one major difference. The idea of disappearing from view. I am not sure why anyone would have thought that a necessary explanation. There was never any indication of Elijah dissapearing, he was seen to go up. I mean he disappeared when he go too high. As with Jesus, he was seen to ascend up into a cloud. The mount of transfiguration glory is promised to all the saints that are ready at his appearing and so when I read this event in 1 Cor 15 and the passaged in 2 Thess I thought of other scripture references and my first thought was that of being glorifed and shining like the sun and then rising and wicked sinners that once persecuted the holy saints looking on in awe. The passage says we are CHANGED in a twinkling of an eye not that we dissapear. And the passage is quite detailed about the change. Our mortal bodies are changed into immortal glorifed ones. This promise is to be held dear. When it happens is in question. The event is not in question. The type of change .. bodily glorification .. is not in question. May God Bless you in your Study of His Word. |
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2 | Pretribulation or slightly after ? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 42639 | ||
You write: "This rumor that the pre-trib view started in the 19th century is not accurate." Pretribulationalism "This view was first known as "the secret" or "any moment rapture." It is a relatively new position which was first taught by the founder of the Catholic Apostolic Church, Edward Irving in the late 1820's. It was then picked up by Plymouth Brethren pastor John Nelson Darby, and he first preached on it in 1843. It came to America in the late 1800's . . . Pretribulationists teach that the return of Christ has been imminent since the days of the early church and that the church will be raptured sometime before the seventieth week begins. Although they have no Scripture that in so many words teaches it, they teach that there are no signs and the rapture could take place at any moment. The seventieth week of Daniel is therefore considered to be a seven-year period of God's judgmental "tribulation" (hence the term pretribulation). This position generally views the seventieth week as the day of the Lord's wrath from which the church is excluded." Prewrath "The Prewrath position teaches that the true church will be raptured when the great tribulation by Antichrist, inspired by Satan, is cut short by God's day-of-the-Lord wrath, which will occur between the sixth and seventh seals of Revelation, sometime during the second half of the seventieth week. The persecution associated with the great tribulation of Antichrist is viewed as the wrath of Satan, whereas the events that follow, beginning with the seventh seal, are considered the wrath of God. There is another term that is sometimes expressed, "historical premillennialism," which refers back to the teaching of the early church fathers before 325 A.D. who believed that the church would face the persecution of Antichrist and Christ would then reign for 1000 years upon the earth. With the exception of two, Origen and Clement of Alexandria, who were allegorist, they all taught this view. Prewrath is plainly and simply an expansion of this view which was biblical then and biblical now." (www.signministries.org/positions.htm) |
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