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1 | Where was satan when he first sinned? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 41136 | ||
Did satan sin in heaven? I know you have always heard this. I would like you to take a look at the scriptures you are posting before you post them. When studying about the origin of satan I ran across a few interesting things. I will wait to see what you have to say before I mention them. I am interested to see if others see what I saw when they take a fresh look at this subject. |
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2 | Where was satan when he first sinned? | Bible general Archive 1 | benjamite | 41137 | ||
Satan did sin in heaven (Luke 10:18; see also Ezekiel 28:14-16). In Luke, he could not have fallen from heaven if he did not sin in heaven. In Ezekiel, he was cast off the mountain of God. Why did this happen? 28:15, "Unrighteousness was found in you." See also Job 2:5, Satan tells God, "(Job) will curse you to your face." Satan lied to God in heaven. Isaiah 14:12ff is another picture of Satan's fall, but some might see it as being prophetic of the Antichrist to come. Okay, I looked at the Scriptures, now it's your turn. :-) In Him, Benjamite |
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3 | Where was satan when he first sinned? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 41148 | ||
I think Jensen made a good point here. That there are heavenlies and not just one heaven that God dwells in that satan was at. satan can and still has access to that heavenly realm where he accused Job. I am of the opinion that satan was able to access a higher level before and was cast down after his fall but my main question is do you see that fall occurring in Eden as stated by Ezek 28:13-15? | ||||||
4 | Where was satan when he first sinned? | Bible general Archive 1 | benjamite | 41205 | ||
I'm having a hard time seeing it there, actually. I see the mountain of God as being distinct and separate from the garden of God - the former being a euphemism for "Heaven" the latter for "Eden". On the basis of Job 38:4-7, I believe that the angels were created before the creation of the earth, and that Satan's fall, likewise, was before the creation of the earth. |
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5 | Where was satan when he first sinned? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 41365 | ||
I am open. I have not concluded anything yet. But if in all instances where Mount of God occurs in the Bible it refers to the one in Jerusalem, then why would be a different Mount in Ezek 28 and if one decides that it is a different one what right or basis does he have to conclude this? In Ezek 20 Ezek referred to the mount and said... Ezekiel 20:40 0 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things ... so if the same Ezek later says Ezekiel 28:14 4 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. .. Would not this same prophet be still referring to the same mount he has mentioned in a previous prophesy. What right or basis would one have for calling this Eden a different Eden than the Garden of Eden where we all saw that satan was indeed in in Gen 3. So we know that satan was in THAT Garden of Eden, we have no knowledge of any other Garden of Eden. But let us consider the stones of Fire for clarity. One concept I utterly reject is that such descriptions are ever placed in the Holy Word of God for emotional emphasis or poetic language. I believe there is always a power truth and revelation and in this instance a literal application behind such descriptive words as stones of fire. I used to listen to other preachers repeat other preachers about satan falling ages before the garden. I want to see the verse now. I only have this one about when he was perfect and then he was found with iniquity. It distinctly says he was perfect while still in Eden and then he was found with iniquity. When he shows up in Gen speaking to Eve, we know he has iniquity. We never see him in Gen in his perfect state. So unless you can demonstrate how in other parts of the Bible the Heavenlies are called Eden then I only have a right to assume that Eden is the Garden of Eden and no other Eden since I know of no other Eden. Making up things about "we can call heaven Eden if we want to" is Bambi theology and I cannot have anything to do with it because I can only put faith in the Word of God and not in any "made up" explanations. Until I see a passage where a prophet calles heaven Eden and it does not refer to the Garden Adam was in then I cannot say Ezek meant anything but Eden the garden Adam was in. But back to the stones of fire? If I just say that "stones of fire" is just phrases to inspire awe then I am not any closer to an answer to "what is the mount of God here?" And "which Eden does he refer to?" But if the stones of fire have meaning and can be identified then maybe that will bring me closer to a revelation that God would want me to be seeking out, (since He did see fit to put the words in the Bible for our instruction in righteousness). Consider these verses Ezekiel 28:14 4 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:16 6 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Now look at Job 28 5 [As for] the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire. 6 The stones of it [are] the place of sapphires: and it hath dust of gold. 7 [There is] a path which no fowl knoweth, and which the vulture's eye hath not seen: |
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6 | Where was satan when he first sinned? | Bible general Archive 1 | Scribe | 41366 | ||
This is a deep subject (no pun intended) that the stones of fire are those under neath the earth. That Lucifer had something to do with this realm seems evident by the description of both the precious jewels of his being and of the mention that he walked up and down in the stones of fire. There is a lot here to meditate on and compare with other verses. I do not see any scripture that say Lucifer was in heaven and fell long before man was created. That is raw speculation on the part of centuries of Bible teachers repeating each other not the Bible. That he was cast down from heaven is true but when? The only verse we have is this one. He was perfect in Eden. Then he was found with iniquity. So whatever the time frame was between the creation of Eden and the serpent tempting Eve, Lucifer went from perfect to having been found with iniquity. Now we know that it was the serpent that spoke to Eve and yet satan gets the blame. We know that even in Eden satan could not be seen by Eve, he had to embody a serpent. So it could be that satan was in the Garden as one of the Cherubs that had a job or position that related to planet earth and he had access to the lower parts of the earth, There was no hell there yet. I am guessing. Brain storming. :) Not trying to start a new cult or anything :) |
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