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1 | Christian Primer Terms? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 18320 | ||
Joe: Thank you so much for replying to my posting. Even if we disagree, I am still very pleased that you replied. You have no idea how much I respect you and your writings. You have truly earned my respect and my serious consideration of and reply to whatever you address to me. Without being dogmatic or argumentative, I will simply try to clarify my position (my understanding) of repentance. For starters the complete Ryrie quote is: "VI. THE CONDITION FOR SALVATION "A. The Condition. Salvation is conditioned solely on faith in Jesus Christ. Nearly 200 times faith, or belief, is stated as the single condition in the N.T. (John 1:12; Acts 16:31). That faith must be placed in Christ as one's substitute for and Saviour from sin. (...) "B. The False Additions to Faith. (...) "3. Repentance. This is a valid condition for salvation when understood as a synonym for faith. It is a false addition to faith when understood as a prerequisite, requiring the cleansing of the life in order to be saved" (p. 1950, Ryrie Study Bible, Moody Press, 1978). Further, Ryrie writes in the note at Acts 2:38: "Repent. To change one's mind; specifically, here, about Jesus of Nazareth, and to acknowledge Him as Lord (equals God) and Christ (equals Messiah). Such repentance brings salvation. There is also a repentance needed in the Christian life in relation to specific sins (2 Cor. 7:9; Rev. 2:5)." I do not wish to debate this, but I am curious: Can you post (a) specific quotation(s) where Dr. Charles Caldwell Ryrie says in plain language that people who are saved can go through their entire lives and not show the marks of true salvation; that repentance isn't truly necessary at all? I would appreciate it if you could post a direct quote by him in which he assserts the above and back up the quote by citing the source, i.e., publication, page number, publisher and date. I mean no offense to you, Joe. I have absolute confidence in your honesty, which I am not questioning. It's just that I would like to see for myself WHERE Ryrie asserts such a thing in regard to repentance. Grace to you, kalos |
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2 | Christian Primer Terms? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 18363 | ||
Kalos: I found the quote I was talking about in an online review of MacArthur's "Gospel According to Jesus" and Ryrie's "So Great Salvation," which itself was intended to be a rebuttal of MacArthur's work. The quote itself is found on page 45 of Ryrie's book. I would encourage you to read this review, as the problems I had with Ryrie's work are reflected quite well. After reading Ryrie's book, I was left wondering if he and I had ben reading the same book he was talking about. He takes MacArthur's statements out of context and tries to equate "Lordship Salvation" with legalistic works-righteousness, which it is not. In any case, here is the link to the review, which I hope many on this forum will take a glance at the following link, replacing the [TILDE] in the address with a tilde (the Spanish quiggly thing above the 'n" -- the forum won't let us include it in posts) http://www.rapidnet.com/[TILDE]jbeard/bdm/BookReviews/gospel.htm And again, the thing that bothers me the most about RYrie's view that a Christian does not necessarily ever exhibit a changed life are the statements found in 1 John, 1 Peter, Hebrews, James, etc., that place such emphasis on practical righteousness (not SINLESSNESS) as a mark of salvation. I grew up in churches that taught Ryrie's theology; it always seemed that pastors either avoid teaching extensively on these books or go to great links to say, "well, it seems that John was saying this, but what he REALLY meant was that." And that is no way to teach the Bible! --Joe! |
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