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1 | What do you object to? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 18351 | ||
Kelkat: You have posted a very reasonable and appropriate question. But, please help me in my confusion. In your original question, I do not know whom you mean by the word "them" as in "What doctrine do any of them teach..." My guess was that them means the Word Faith teachers. But another poster apparently thinks that by them you mean every church and cult in the history of the world. So, is it the Word Faith teachers or does them include every man, woman and child who ever lived since Adam? No sarcasm, Kelkat. Just honestly desiring clarification of whom you mean when you say "them" in your above question. Thank you for yor help. |
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2 | What do you object to? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 18353 | ||
Kalos This question got separated from the original thread. In that thread I was telling someone to keep seeking for a Pastor he could trust. Then Kelkat said try watching Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyers, or James Kennedy and Focus on the Family. I then asked the question how could Kelkat include Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyers in a list with James Kennedy and Focus on the Family? The individuals we are talking about are Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyers, but you could include many others since these three teach the Word of Faith doctrine which is so popular on TV. This teaching has it’s roots in the metaphysical where nothing exists until a catalyst makes it so. The Metaphysical calls this catalyst speaking something into existence or speaking it so, or calling it so. WOF calls this catalyst speaking out in faith or the ‘Word of Faith’. However I have heard many of these individuals actually say “calling it so” or “speaking it so” making no attempt to disguise it from the basic thesis of Metaphysical teaching. |
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3 | What do you object to? | Bible general Archive 1 | Kelkat | 18496 | ||
Yes, those are the three I was referring to. But if we are only talking about their belief in the power of words, will that belief keep anyone out of heaven? What I have learned over the last (mainly) two years is that my opinions, my thoughts, my beliefs are not going to change anyone else's. Someone gave me the best advice I have ever received "if it's not one of the essential elements of salvation, then let God take care of it." I don't disagree that you, and many others, feel that "word of faith" teachers and believers have it wrong. I also don't disagree that many of them believe that there is power in words. I know, or figure, that you can prove your point scripturally. I know that they prove their point scripturally. When I asked you about what you didn't agree with, I meant in the essential issues. Otherwise, I know that you are firmly grounded in your ideas, and I can't say anything to prove you wrong, or to make you see things differently. So there is not reason to go on. If you do have concerns about the essentials, these I want to know. I have never heard any of them teach anything that goes against the "basics" but I also have not heard it all. That's what I am interested in talking about. We have different understandings of different scriptures, but I will concede that I am looking through a dark glass right now. I know that I don't have it all right. Kelkat |
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4 | What do you object to? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 18499 | ||
Kelkat Let me try to explain. I ask you read my whole reply before you consider a response. Just because uses the name God or Jesus does not mean your talking about the one true God or authentic Jesus. Mormons use the name of Jesus but their Jesus was a created being, the brother of Satan, born of a physical union between God and Mary. Now that description tells us they are not talking about Jesus the Son of God but rather Jesus the invention of Joseph Smith. What I trying to say is the name is not what describes who we are talking about but rather our description of that person, or what we believe about them is what describes who they are. These individuals talk about God, Jesus and such but when they describe who he is and we realize they are not talking about an awesome sovereign God. They are talking about their own invention. Their god is not spirit who must be worshiped in spirit and truth but rather he is about 6 feet 9 weighing 250 or so lbs., with hands about 11 inches across. Their god was thrown off of earth, he had to sneak back, first he tried by way of Abraham and finally accomplished his objective through Jesus. Their god is subservient to their faith. He allowed himself to be placed in the position of having to accomplish whatever they place their faith in. Their Jesus became a “puny loathsome worm”(their words) upon the cross losing his salvation and had to go to hell for three days to be tormented by Satan and his demon hoards before he could once again be “born again” and realize salvation and arise in victory. Neither of these two descriptions describe the authentic one and only God of Creation and Jesus His son. So we see they are not worshipping God or Jesus Christ His only begotten Son but rather gods of their own creation. That my friend is idolatry and it will keep them out of heaven. If you worship to god of these individuals you too are worshipping a false god an idol and that too will keep you out of heaven. So you see the problem is very serious. By applying attributes to God and Jesus that just aren’t true they aren’t merely seeing things different than orthodoxy Christianity they are in fact creating different gods and stand at the door way of idolatry. My prayer is you will see the seriousness of their teaching and the repercussions it can have. I pray the Holy Spirit will open your eyes to their teaching and you will see for yourself the error. Kelkat I have come to know a little about you through this discourse, believe me when I say your playing with fire. I know you believe and hold to the authentic God and Jesus Christ but by joining your spirit with the spirit of these individuals you open yourself to deception. |
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