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1 | Christian Primer Terms? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 18176 | ||
"Avoid Christian 'code' words" Charis: The following is from Email Guidelines for Christian Internet Apologetics , a ministry of Peninsula Bible Church of Palo Alto, California. I quote the following because it seems to coincide with your thinking re the use of "code" words when sharing the gospel with the unchurched and those unfamiliar with the Bible. "Avoid Christian "code" words like saved, justified, fellowship, spirit filled, sanctified, redeemed, etc. They are fine to use with those who are familiar with what they mean, but definitions vary from group to group. Over use of code words has led us to the sad state of affairs of being frequently misunderstood by the very Christians who use them the most. Non-believers don't know what these words mean . . . Work diligently to speak to modern man in the language modern man uses. Finding new words may be difficult at first, but English is a tongue and the Holy Spirit will enable you to write about the same eternal unchanging Biblical truths more comprehensibly than code words do." |
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2 | Christian Primer Terms? | Bible general Archive 1 | charis | 18179 | ||
Dear kalos, Thank you and Amen! The Japanese church has it's share of 'code words,' too! Much like the 'PTL' of back home, we have "Kansha shimasu!" It literally means 'thank you,' a kind of formal "Arigato." The 'true' meaning is probably "Thank You (God) for saving me and blessing me." But it is used ALL THE TIME! The unsaved think they are nuts! (I tend to agree :-)) This applies to some of the words above as well, but (sometimes) fortunately, Japanese is a very literal language, and using a few synonyms clears things up quickly. Of course, we must be aware of the Buddhist and-or Shinto nuance of similar terms so that we can explain the difference. Thanks again for the exhortation! In Christ Jesus, charis |
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3 | Christian Primer Terms? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 18180 | ||
I don't have that many words left to add to the list. So I will go ahead and post them. Also, as someone said, it may help some of our Forum readers to have simple definitions of the "code" words. reconcile/reconciliation means restored relationship, brought back to God, make peace with. remission means forgiveness. remnant means faithful few, remaining few, those who are left. To repent ACTUALLY means *to change the way you think and act.* (It does NOT mean merely to feel badly about one's sins. Nor does it mean confession by itself. As a condition for salvation, repentance "is a false addition to faith when understood as a *prerequisite,* requiring the cleansing of the life [first] in order to be saved" (Dr. Charles C. Ryrie, Ryrie Study Bible, Moody Press, 1978). resurrection means came back to life, brought back to life. Sabbath means day of rest. sanctify means set apart, set aside, dedicate, holy. tabernacle means tent of meeting. tithe in its simplest definition means tenth. tongues are languages. transfigured means changed. transgression is wrongdoing, sin, failure, disobedience, crime, rebellion. woe means how horrible, how terrible. |
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4 | Christian Primer Terms? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 18314 | ||
Kalos: You wrote: "To repent ACTUALLY means *to change the way you think and act.* (It does NOT mean merely to feel badly about one's sins. Nor does it mean confession by itself. As a condition for salvation, repentance 'is a false addition to faith when understood as a *prerequisite,* requiring the cleansing of the life [first] in order to be saved' (Dr. Charles C. Ryrie, Ryrie Study Bible, Moody Press, 1978)." I found it interesting that you apporvingly quoted Ryrie's stance on what repentance is when you seem to stand with MacArthur and so many others who disagree with this view. The word "metanoia" (repentance) literally means "a change in thinking." I disagree that repentance itself is the change in actions; it is a change in attitude toward sin that will inevitably RESULT in a change of actions. I hold that repentance is a gift of God that accompanies saving faith. Ryrie and Zane Hodges and others actually hold to a very weak view of repentance which doesn't necessarily mean any change of life at all. Most historically have held that repentance is a component of all true conversion. In Eastern Europe and Russia and other places in the world, they will actually use the term "repent" to describe their conversion. Rather than saying, "I was saved at age 30," Christians in this part of the world will say "I repented at age 30." Ryrie and Hodges hold that people who are saved can go through their entire lives and not show the marks of true salvation. For Ryrie, the biblical idea of repentence is not only not a prerequisite; it isn't truly necessary at all! And, of course, that denies several Scriptures which emphatically state that repentance is a part of saving faith and that the Christian will exhibit a markedly different life than the unregenerate: Jeremiah 8:6 Ezekiel 18:30 Matthew 3:2-11; 11:21; 12:41 Mark 1:15 Luke 13:1-5; 15:1-10; 24:47 Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31 (who GRANTS repentance?); 11:18; 26:20 Romans 2:4-5 2 Corinthians 7:9-10; 12:21 2 Timothy 2:25 2 Peter 3:9 I have even heard people in the so-called "free-grace" vein go so far as to say that murderers can go on murdering, homosexuals can go on practicing homosexuality, thieves can go on stealing (and I would assume that cannibals could even go on eating), all without repentance and still be heaven bound because they have professed Jesus as their SAVIOR. What do Jesus and the apostles say? "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit." Matthew 7:17-18 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit." Matthew 12:33 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." --1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God." --Galatians 5:19-21 "Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever." 1 John 2:15-17 "Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother." --1 John 3:7-10 Sorry to belabor the point, but here inthe United States in particular is this evil notion that repentance and saving faith are mutually exclusive concepts. Repentance is not a work any more than intellectual belief in the facts of the Gospel is; hoever, repentance is inextricably linked to true, saving faith and will produce good fruit and the decrease of sin in the believer. --Joe! |
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5 | Christian Primer Terms? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 18320 | ||
Joe: Thank you so much for replying to my posting. Even if we disagree, I am still very pleased that you replied. You have no idea how much I respect you and your writings. You have truly earned my respect and my serious consideration of and reply to whatever you address to me. Without being dogmatic or argumentative, I will simply try to clarify my position (my understanding) of repentance. For starters the complete Ryrie quote is: "VI. THE CONDITION FOR SALVATION "A. The Condition. Salvation is conditioned solely on faith in Jesus Christ. Nearly 200 times faith, or belief, is stated as the single condition in the N.T. (John 1:12; Acts 16:31). That faith must be placed in Christ as one's substitute for and Saviour from sin. (...) "B. The False Additions to Faith. (...) "3. Repentance. This is a valid condition for salvation when understood as a synonym for faith. It is a false addition to faith when understood as a prerequisite, requiring the cleansing of the life in order to be saved" (p. 1950, Ryrie Study Bible, Moody Press, 1978). Further, Ryrie writes in the note at Acts 2:38: "Repent. To change one's mind; specifically, here, about Jesus of Nazareth, and to acknowledge Him as Lord (equals God) and Christ (equals Messiah). Such repentance brings salvation. There is also a repentance needed in the Christian life in relation to specific sins (2 Cor. 7:9; Rev. 2:5)." I do not wish to debate this, but I am curious: Can you post (a) specific quotation(s) where Dr. Charles Caldwell Ryrie says in plain language that people who are saved can go through their entire lives and not show the marks of true salvation; that repentance isn't truly necessary at all? I would appreciate it if you could post a direct quote by him in which he assserts the above and back up the quote by citing the source, i.e., publication, page number, publisher and date. I mean no offense to you, Joe. I have absolute confidence in your honesty, which I am not questioning. It's just that I would like to see for myself WHERE Ryrie asserts such a thing in regard to repentance. Grace to you, kalos |
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6 | Christian Primer Terms? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 18328 | ||
Kalos: Thanks for your reply. While I do not have a direct quote from Ryrie handy, this view is expressed clearly in his book "So Great Salvation" which I do not own but have read in its entirety. Basically, Ryrie's view seemed to be not that there would be NO fruit, but it would be possible for the believer in Christ to bear fruit that would never be detected by him or others. The way he put it in the book was merely that "some how, some way, in some fashion, some fruit would be produced." I am sorry I cannot give you a more precise quote at this time, but I will look into it and get back to you. It isn't a view that he is apologetic or cryptic about, in any case. The problem I have with the view is that it seems that we will know true believers by their fruit. The fruit is there to demonstrate the fitness of the tree to all who are in its presence. I agree that we are justified by faith alone. Where Ryrie differs from me and many others is exactly WHAT the nature of saving faith is. I hold that repentence is not a work, but the "other side of the coin" --turning from embracing ourselves and the world and turning to embrace Christ. I also see no indication that repentance in a Biblical sense is merely "changing one's mind about who Christ is." How does Ryrie support that with Scripture? Repentence always seems to be FROM sins and selfishness, never a solely intellectual exercise. One other thing: I would be interested to understand how you reconcile all of those verses I cited with Ryrie's view? Thanks again. Going to a wedding now. More later! --Joe! |
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