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1 | how can catholics be saved | Rev 6:10 | jlpangilinan | 36209 | ||
Emmanus, Where in the scriptures that those died first can help us and pray for us? Meaning they can talk to God and help us forgive our sins, where in the scriptures that apotles taught us to pray to those died people i.e for the desciples. Are they encourage us that when they die we should ask for thier help? It is very clear that Jesus Christ said "I am the way the truth and the life and No one come into the father but by me" did Jesus stated that and you should pray to Mary and I will answer your prayers. It also stated in the scriptures that died people neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. How can they intercede our prayers if they dont know everything under the sun which is we alive people belongs at this moment? Ec 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ec 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. I would like also to add that God will judge His people through what they had done: Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Re 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. It is stated "according to his works" and not according of how many prayers of the dead people! How could you explain that. I would like also to ask about purgatory, where in the scriptures stated that they are destination aside from Heaven and hell? and there are purgatory? Where in the scriptures that there are souls in purgatory? This is not to attack your believe my friend, I am just asking for explaination from what you believe in, if you believe on something I know you can defend it using the scriptures! God bless, Johnny |
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2 | how can catholics be saved | Rev 6:10 | Emmaus | 36217 | ||
Johnny, My point was made earlier in stating that we are all together in Christ whether here on earth or in heaven. And those in heaven are aware of what goes on here just as God is because they are in Christ and Christ is aware and cares. They are the cloud of witness in Hebrews and the saints praying before the throne of God in Rev. We always have recourse to our brothers and sisters in Christ who pray for us with Him and in Him. We do not ask them to appear or speak to us but to God with and for us in Christ Jesus. Jesus did release the souls of the just from the prison of Hades, so they are with him and interested in everthing He is interested in which includes us. Even the rich man of the Lazarus story was interested in what was going on back on earth, and he wasn't even in heaven. As for your question about works, prayer is the work of the church here and in heaven. Check out the dictionary definition and origins of the word liturgy. And of course all good works are the work of Christ by those in Christ. Emmaus |
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3 | how can catholics be saved | Rev 6:10 | jlpangilinan | 36222 | ||
Emmaus, With all due respect, you just ignore my questions, of course I could not force you to answers those questions if you dont want to defend them. Story of lazarus is not literal it is compose of past and after the second coming. it is the complete story of one mans life before he died and after the judgement. If we believed that story of lazarus is very literal do you mean all rich will go to hell and all beggar will go to heaven? It is also contadict other passages in the bible: Ec 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ec 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. If you recall in that parables " Lu 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. When Jesus tell about that parables, it is thousand years after moses died, how is true that the brother and sisters of the richman have moses? Well, it seems that you are not that interested to defend what you believed in. God bless, Johnny God bless, Johnny |
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4 | how can catholics be saved | Rev 6:10 | Emmaus | 36246 | ||
Johnny, "Story of lazarus is not literal it is compose of past and after the second coming. it is the complete story of one mans life before he died and after the judgement. If we believed that story of lazarus is very literal do you mean all rich will go to hell and all beggar will go to heaven? It is also contadict other passages in the bible:" Your logic here is faulty. Also, where does it say it was in the far distant past or mention the second coming or say thousand of years later? The rich man's brothers were still alive and it must be before the second coming since the second coming is not mentioned and Jesus is not mentioned. "Ec 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ec 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. " Your interpretation of the above would indicate you believe at least in the concept of "soul sleep" and your iterpretation of the lack of consciousness and rewards in the afterlife is in conclict with your own previous interpretations of this and other passages. "If you recall in that parables Lu 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. When Jesus tell about that parables, it is thousand years after moses died, how is true that the brother and sisters of the richman have moses? " They have Moses and the prophets in the Hebrew scriptures. Emmaus |
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5 | how can catholics be saved | Rev 6:10 | jlpangilinan | 36355 | ||
I have scriptures to defend that Emmaus. Back to the the topic, it seems that you are ready now to answers my questions I am very happy for that These are my questions, I will put number to them so you can answers those proper. 1. Where in the scriptures that we have to pray to the saints and to Mary. 2. Where in the scriptures that we can save soul in purgatory through our prayers and where is purgatory in the bible? 3. Where in the scriptures that we should put images in our altar church, and kneel in front of them. If cannot answer them using the scriptures, are they truly human doctrine? Ga 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. God bless, Johnny |
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6 | how can catholics be saved | Rev 6:10 | Emmaus | 36371 | ||
Johnny, Your exchanges with me always have an inquizitional tone. Do you usually get very far in conversations with this approach? The fact that I have never taken the positions you question in the form you state them seems of no concern to you. You may wish to review some of my previous posts on these subjects in the archives. I am finished with this interrogation. Call my lawyer and put that rubber hose back in your desk. Emmaus |
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7 | how can catholics be saved | Rev 6:10 | jlpangilinan | 36377 | ||
Emmaus, Greetings to You and your lawyer, I am just asking if you can answers those questions using the scriptures, if not what is wrong with that? I am thinking that you can answers those with the scripture supported it ans not by calling your lawyer. It is also unusual to use lawyer in the battle of scriptures: 2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Using lawyer indeed is for a warfare of carnal or to the problems with the laws of state and not for a biblical discussion. If you really use to do that if you cannot answers question regarding your faith, you always call your lawyer you should tell him/her to particiapte here in bible forum maybe he can answers those questions for you. God bless you and your lawyer. Johnny |
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