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1 | Is Jezebel part of the church? | Rev 2:20 | KingdomWalker | 78363 | ||
EdB, I totally agree with what you are saying...our flesh is part of what influences our decisions. But if I may make a couple of points, because what may be the point of discussion is whether or not humans can be influenced by demons. I say yes they can. When the devil sees weaknesses in our lives he will try to use those places in our lives to bring destruction to us. For an example, Immediately following Jesus being baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit, Jesus was lead by the Holy Spirit out into the desert where He was tempted. How was He tempted? Well the devil talked to Him, Right? But because Jesus had complete self control and knew the word of God he was able to resist and thus overcome the temptations of the devil. Perfect example of how we too can overcome what the devil tries to speak to us. Jesus said that we would have trials and temptations also. He showed us how we can overcome those battles with the enemy. Most of our battles are in our minds and come as thoughts that is why we must take every thought captive and discern is this the voice of God, my flesh, or the enemy? I have tried to clarify this point in my other comments, may be this will be clearer...I did not say Jezebel's spirit was influencing people in the church today, I said the spirit that influenced Jezebel is still influencing people today. I think people name it a Jezebel spirit because we can read our bibles and see what kind of person Jezebel was...her character is really obvious, it is not wrong to assume that her life demonstrated a lack of Godliness due to her opening herself up to much darkness. I believe it is biblical to assume that she followed a voice of her flesh that was influenced by voices of darkness. I believe this is biblical to conclued because of Jesus experience in the desert and also again we see in the story of "The Demoniac" Jesus again talked with the devil. The devil had a voice. Jesus asked him what his name was, it replied Legion. So here we can see that the spirits had a name. So when we refer to the Jezebel spirit it is to identify the character and type of influence based on what we can evidently see in Jezebel. But I will agree again in saying yes to everything you said EdB but I would have to add to that the biblical support that does indicate that humans can be influenced by domonic voices even if they are as subtle as thoughts in our own minds. If Jesus had to battle this then it was to give us the assurance and game plan to also overcome. Thanks for letting me share. God Bless. |
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2 | Is Jezebel part of the church? | Rev 2:20 | EdB | 78376 | ||
KingdomWalker Let me say I agree with you in what you said, yes people can be influenced by demonic activity. You gave some excellent examples of this happening. The main thing to remember is, demons are not omnipresent they can only be in one place at a time. Therefore if they are influencing one they can't be anywhere else. While we have no idea of the possible number of demons there has to be some limitation. Therefore they I believe they have a tendency to focus on the biggest bang for the buck. In other words they are not going to waste much time with someone that can only influence a handful of people. I believe they go after big fish, men and women that influence thousands and millions. What is the cut off here no one knows as it depends on how many demons exist. Today as in the past many blame demons for problems that are caused by unsubmitted flesh. However today we have many false teachers proclaiming demons, and spirits that seize churches, cities, communities and people, teaching false spiritual warfare all of which is done for no other reason than making a buck. I’m more convinced lust of the eye, lust of the flesh and pride of life has destroyed more people, churches, ministries, communities than all the work of the adversary and his henchmen put together. More ministry has been corrupted because the men and women have taken their eyes off God and placed them on physical rewards than all the gossip in the world. EdB |
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3 | Is Jezebel part of the church? | Rev 2:20 | KingdomWalker | 78428 | ||
EdB thanks for not being cranky about this discussion, because I really am enjoying it, I hope everyone does as well. Just a final thought to this subject...I still agree with you in the responsibilities we have to live a Godly life, and have the character of Christ...Yes! Yes! and Amen! But only trying to answer the original question of is there a Jezebel spirit in today's church? I think we agreed that yes the bible does have accounts of such demonic influence coming against people, even Jesus and yes we can resist and overcome those attacks, or voices or whatever. One comment that you made was that the possible number of demons is limited. That is true to the degree of doing a little simple (but not so simple)math. Here is a verse that says: Hebrews 12:22But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly. Revelation 5:11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. This is basically an immeasurable amount of angels in heaven. And God threw 1/3 of these angels out with Lucifer. My point being is that there probably are enough to cause havoc all over the earth. And I believe that Satan probably keeps himself busy with the so called, big name believers...but when a demon can influence a man to leave his wife or visa versa or cause a family to leave a church etc. That damage can be horrifically devestating and I close out by saying that the original question was whether or not there is a spirit of Jezebel in the church and I believe that the bible does support clearly the need for believers to check their own hearts and make sure that they haven't been influenced by something other than the spirit of God. Let the spirit of God bring this to light for us if need be. Amen. |
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