Results 1 - 7 of 7
|
|
|||||
Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Ordered by Verse | ||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
1 | book of life | Rev 17:8 | melchizedekau | 5434 | ||
when is your name written in the book of life? | ||||||
2 | book of life | Rev 17:8 | kalos | 5435 | ||
"written in the book of life from the foundation of the world." Rev 17:8 | ||||||
3 | All names still in the book of life? | Rev 17:8 | reformedreader | 5437 | ||
JVH0212, According to Rev. 17:8, this would indicate either all humans or some humans were written into the book of life before the creation of the universe. I have a couple of questions for this forum to think about. If Rev. 17:8 is true as it is written and if all humans were written into the book of life: 1) why then are all humans born under the condemnation of sin and predestined to the lake of fire for eternity which is the opposite of life? 2) why then do only some humans actually end up in the book of life? Sam Hughey |
||||||
4 | All names still in the book of life? | Rev 17:8 | kalos | 5441 | ||
Revelation 17:8 "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come. Sam: First, before anything else, I want to make it clear that I respect you and look forward to your postings. Nothing in my answer is intended to be taken as argumentative, or a personal criticism, or a putdown. I merely answer your questions as best I can. Rev 17:8 *is* true. What Rev 17:8 SAYS is without question or doubt. What is questionable and doubtful are some *interpretations* of the verse. As I understand it, Rev 17:8 does not SAY that all humans were written into the book of life. 1) a) All humans are born under the condemnation of sin (Rom 3:10, 23). b) Where does the Bible SAY that *any* or *all* are "*predestined* to the lake of fire?" 2) Nowhere in the Bible, including Rev 17:8, does it SAY that all humans were written into the book of life. If anyone can present a clear verse of Scripture to challenge the above, please give us the Book, Chapter and Verse where that passage is found. |
||||||
5 | All names still in the book of life? | Rev 17:8 | reformedreader | 5451 | ||
JVH0212, I think you might have misunderstood me just a bit. My post was rhetorical. I wasn't implying that Rev. 17:8 could be wrong but, rather, rhetorically speaking "since it is true" we must conclude something from my question. I most definitely do believe every verse of holy scripture to be true. I presented my question as I did because some Christians believe all humans were written into the book of life and upon reaching an age of accountability, they rejected Christ and were thus erased from the book of life. There are others who deny anyone was written into the book of life before creation because they reject the doctrine of predestination of the elect to salvation. The point is that if (since) “some” humans were written into the book of life before creation, they were obviously predestined (predetermined) to become saved at some time in history, else how could they have been written into the book of life before creation. melchizedekau asked the question, “when” was a person written into the book of life and that is primarily the reason for me asking what I asked and how I asked it. When you responded with Rev. 17:8, I only intended to draw out those who hold either view presented above and discuss why they believe so. If we reject the doctrine of predestination, how then could anyone have been written into the book of life before creation just as Rev. 17:8 states to be a fact? If we accept the doctrine of predestination, then what does that say about those who were/are not written into the book of life before creation? 1) a) All humans are born under the condemnation of sin (Rom 3:10, 23). b) Where does the Bible SAY that *any* or *all* are "*predestined* to the lake of fire?" 2) Nowhere in the Bible, including Rev 17:8, does it SAY that all humans were written into the book of life. I completely agree that “all” are under the condemnation of sin because none are righteous apart from the righteousness of God according to Romans 3:10. However, since Rev. 17:8 clearly states that some are predestined to be saved by the fact they were written into the book of life before creation, and since we know some are already in the grave waiting to face eternity in the lake of fire, we can only conclude they were not written into the book of life prior to creation. Therefore, it is quite obvious that they were predestined to spend eternity in the lake of fire which means I agree with you that not all humans were written into the book of life prior to creation. Sam Hughey |
||||||
6 | All names still in the book of life? | Rev 17:8 | kalos | 5453 | ||
Sam: I am truly sorry I misunderstood the intent of your question. If I have offended you in any way, I offer my sincerest apologies. I will reply more fully to your Note later. It is filled with good, thought-provoking points. So I'd like to take my time and give it the attention it deserves. Thank you for consistently sound, reasonable postings. --JVH |
||||||
7 | All names still in the book of life? | Rev 17:8 | reformedreader | 5463 | ||
JVH, Thanks and no apology is necessary because I am not at all offended. Text only discussions often lead to misunderstanding because of its limited nature. Reply whenever you so desire and I greatly respect the man who takes time to reason his statements. Sam Hughey |
||||||