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NASB | Revelation 17:8 ¶ "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Revelation 17:8 ¶ "The beast that you saw was [once], but [now] is not, and he is about to come up out of the abyss (the bottomless pit, the dwelling place of demons) and go to destruction (perdition). And the inhabitants of the earth, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, will be astonished when they see the beast, because he was and is not and is yet to come [to earth]. [Dan 7:3] |
Subject: All names still in the book of life? |
Bible Note: JVH0212, I think you might have misunderstood me just a bit. My post was rhetorical. I wasn't implying that Rev. 17:8 could be wrong but, rather, rhetorically speaking "since it is true" we must conclude something from my question. I most definitely do believe every verse of holy scripture to be true. I presented my question as I did because some Christians believe all humans were written into the book of life and upon reaching an age of accountability, they rejected Christ and were thus erased from the book of life. There are others who deny anyone was written into the book of life before creation because they reject the doctrine of predestination of the elect to salvation. The point is that if (since) “some” humans were written into the book of life before creation, they were obviously predestined (predetermined) to become saved at some time in history, else how could they have been written into the book of life before creation. melchizedekau asked the question, “when” was a person written into the book of life and that is primarily the reason for me asking what I asked and how I asked it. When you responded with Rev. 17:8, I only intended to draw out those who hold either view presented above and discuss why they believe so. If we reject the doctrine of predestination, how then could anyone have been written into the book of life before creation just as Rev. 17:8 states to be a fact? If we accept the doctrine of predestination, then what does that say about those who were/are not written into the book of life before creation? 1) a) All humans are born under the condemnation of sin (Rom 3:10, 23). b) Where does the Bible SAY that *any* or *all* are "*predestined* to the lake of fire?" 2) Nowhere in the Bible, including Rev 17:8, does it SAY that all humans were written into the book of life. I completely agree that “all” are under the condemnation of sin because none are righteous apart from the righteousness of God according to Romans 3:10. However, since Rev. 17:8 clearly states that some are predestined to be saved by the fact they were written into the book of life before creation, and since we know some are already in the grave waiting to face eternity in the lake of fire, we can only conclude they were not written into the book of life prior to creation. Therefore, it is quite obvious that they were predestined to spend eternity in the lake of fire which means I agree with you that not all humans were written into the book of life prior to creation. Sam Hughey |