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1 | Why did Satan want Moses bones? | Jude 1:9 | jbw | 85227 | ||
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2 | Why did Satan want Moses bones? | Jude 1:9 | Scribe | 85228 | ||
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. I am assuming you are speaking of this passage in Jude. This is an amazing passage and full of doctrinal truth. First of all you will not find this account in the Old Testament. There are several views about where Jude could have gotten this. I believe that the answer is that it was a tradition among the Jews. There were traditions among the Jews that were full of error and yet they were based on true history. I think Paul referes to the tradition of Jannes and Jambres as true. 2 tim 3:18 I do not believe Jude was quoting from apocryphal material but that more likely the apocryphal material was written later to make up stories based on Judes references here. So if Jude is the word of God and we are sure that it is, what is the point here and what does it suggest? I think we can compare this verse with many others and get a better picture. I am not going to take the time to write the whole subject at this time but I will summarize. Moses died, and God buried him. No man knows where to this day. Moses body might have been taken to heaven. If so Satan would have opposed the legality of such a thing. It is satan’s legal right to cause death to reign and for the body of men to see corruption, rot after death. Remember Peter said in Acts 2 that David was prophesying of Jesus when he said.. Thou wilt not suffer thy holy one to see corruption. Satan accused God of being unjust in not allowing Moses body to be corrupted like all others. There is something significant to the kingdom of hell to see death have its complete sway on man even unto the rotting of the flesh in the grave. The angel said the Lord Rebuke thee. Because God did indeed satisfy the legal requirements of His own justice but satan did not know how yet. If I treated this subject fairly It would be several pages long. Satan is the accuser, his power is not like in the movies, he does not have power to just kill you outright, he gains power to bring destruction on a man through accusations. The spiritual warfare is more like a heavenly courtroom than a pitched battle of angels with cosmic swords. You have several scenes into this realm in the bible. Though this one concerning Moses is not in the OT the one where Satan accuses Joshua is (Zech) and there satan accuses Joshua because of sin, and the angel says The Lord Rebuke thee, is not this a brand plucked from the fire. Thus again there was a reason why God could use Joshua though he had been guilty of sin. We know that this is because Jesus would come and die and rise again and declare believers justified, that God might be just and the justifier of him that believeth in Jesus. So God did not violate His own holiness and justice by allowing Joshua access to the administrations of the priesthood, though satan used that argument. And I think the contention over the body of moses has to be similar. There was some legal argument satan presented over why he should have access to the body and it was denied him. Now Moses body represented the church in the wilderness just as Jesus body represents the whole church. To bring this to a conclusion we have another fight between satan and Michael in Revelation and there again satan is defeated, and cast down. Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Revelation 12:7-8 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. The saints are seen as involved in the fight, or that the fight is over them. See here satan is contending with Michael over the fact that the manchild is caught up. This manchild is not just Jesus, but the Church, the manifestation of the sons of God, the redemption of the purchased possession, our bodies being glorified, and us rising.. that is what satan is arguing against. Satan is accusing the body of Christ that is rising to meet the Lord in the air as not having the right to escape death.. And the angle says the Lord Rebuke thee.. Only this time we have the complete reason why.. Because of the Blood of the Lamb and The word of their testimony. I do not content for this interpretation since it belongs in the realm speculation, but it works best for me at this time and better than most commentaries I have read thus far. |
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3 | Why did Satan want Moses bones? | Jude 1:9 | EdB | 85261 | ||
Scribe Moses' body might have been taken to heaven???? Satan would oppose the legality of this???? What, do you think there is a supreme court watching the conflict between God and Satan??/ Show me one place in the Bible where it says God has to do things according to legality. Or that God wanted to take Moses' body home. Your talking with authority about things that God has not revealed to us and frankly you know nothing about. We do not know why Satan wanted Moses body or why God didn't want Satan to have it. Best guess I have is because Satan knew Israel would worship Moses body and would have been easily lead in idolatry through it. It could also have been because Moses was special to God and God didn't want Satan to have anything to do with Moses' body. This I will say if God wanted Moses body and not see corruption God could have done it with same impunity God enjoyed when He took Enoch and Elijah. God does not have to do things legally, what God does establishes the standard. EdB |
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4 | Why did Satan want Moses bones? | Jude 1:9 | Scribe | 85281 | ||
I understand your unwillingness to embrace such an interpretation, EdB and as I stated in my post "I do not content for this interpretation since it belongs in the realm speculation, but it works best for me at this time and better than most commentaries I have read thus far." Also as you accurately quoted me as saying "Moses' body Might have been taken to heaven," This is not speaking with authority. If I spoke with authority I would say that this is the undeniable clear meaning of the text and beyond all dispute. But I do not say such a thing. Your ideas are as valid as mine since we do not have clear explanation of the dispute over the body of Moses. The fact is that we have it in Jude and only what God wanted us to know is the most important which is, that we ought to humble ourselves and not presume upon God or the adminstrations of God when it comes to things we no nothing about such as angels and their ministries. I understand that Jude had to content with gnostics and Judaizers as the other apostles also did, and that he is rebuking them for their arrogant attitudes thinking they have inside knowlege about angels and such things, and also that they think they have the the right to rail against authorities, (whether in the church, or heavenlies) It is simply a rebuke toward them that even Michael who is greater in authority and might than satan (and also than these railers) did not bring railing accusation against satan, but appeals to the authority of God who is Judge of all. We also must be careful not to rail against authorities either in the church or without, or for that matter even agains satan, calling him names and thinking that by our wrathful spewing of words upon him that we somehow are able to have an effect on him. We should simply say the Lord rebuke you, to satan, and the powers of darkness. However taking up the argument that this reference is in the word of God to hint at anything else besides that one lesson, maybe it applies to your interpretation and maybe it applies to mine or maybe we are both wrong. I think if we use scripture to compare with scripture and look up all the references in the bible that have to do with "The Lord Rebuke you" or other references where satan and michael fight it seems more fitting that we would be on the right path of gaining insight than if we simply imagine other possible scenarios with no biblical pattern based on this text. At least that is the only thing I feel comfortable persuing. If I cannot find other references of like kind, I might as well leave it alone altogether because anyones guess is as good as anothers. Concerning the idea that the warfare is legal in nature. This is not something I made up today. It has been expounded upon by many scholars in church history and I am only agreeing with them that I have often seen the same pattern in the scriptures. The whole Bible declares this progression of the Justice of a Holy God not being violated by a cheap grace. The fact that Jesus had to die and rise again to purchase your salvation.. Legal justification.. That God would be Just and the Justifier of him that believes in Jesus is about this. Remember the story of Job. This is not some fairy tale or parable that never happened. Satan did indeed appear before God and accuse Job.. this is a picture of what still goes on. Satan is still accusing the brethren night and day. But there is coming a day when he is cast down and not allowed into this heavenlie court and that is what happens in Revelation. Of course there are those that have different views. Many see the battle in revelation as having already occurred when satan originally fell. I do not see it that way becuase the rejoicing of the saints having overcome him by the blood of the Lamb is associated with this event and would mean that it had to either happen at the cross or resurrection or at the future resurrection. May God Bless You as You study His Word. |
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