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1 | Can a born again sin as they did before? | 1 John 1:8 | jlpangilinan | 67810 | ||
Dear Hank, My posting is clear (I hope) I am talking about the true born again a true believer. My argument is this, if the one being born again is before is a killer in intentions then called for a salvation (born again) He cannot do what he had done before i.e killing. I gave the example of paul, Christ live in him he not live his own but Christ live in him. I am sure if Christ lives in you how could you kill someone as Christ said love your nieghbor as thyself? Paul before called by christ, was a different man he forsaken the apostle of christ and even Persecution against stephen and the followers of Christ he took a prominent part But after Christ called him, did he commit the same acts? If the person that has Christ in Him and Christ live in Him can kill can rape, what kind of christ is that living in that person. God bless, Johnny |
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2 | Can a born again sin as they did before? | 1 John 1:8 | Hank | 67879 | ||
Johnny: My point was and still is that the born-again believer will not cease to sin; that is, that he will not and cannot live a totally sinless life from the moment of his regeneration till he departs this world through physical death. Conversion does not mean the eradication of the sin nature. It means the implanting of the new, divine nature, with power to live victoriously over indwelling sin. The letter of 1 John was written to believers (2:12). In 1:8 the Apostle says, "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." That, mind you, was addressed to believers. And the Apostle continues, still speaking to believers: "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us." (1:9,10). Now, Johnny, please consider what the Apostle is saying in 2:1: "My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin." John is not saying that they cannot sin (i.e., that they are now totally lacking in the ability to sin); neither is he telling believers to sin as little as possible. Because God is perfect, His standard for His people is absolute perfection. He would not be God if He had inspired John to write, "Sin just as little as you can." God cannot condone sin even in the most minute degree. So He sets perfection before us as the goal. The Lord Jesus did this with the woman who was caught in the act of adultery: "Go. From now on sin no more." (John 8:11). At the same time, the Lord knows our frame. He remembers that we are dust. He has graciously made provision for us when we fail to meet His standard. This John expresses as he continues with 2:1,2: "And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and He Himself is the propitation for our sins..." Propitation refers to the turning away of God's wrath. God's righteousness demands punishment for man's sin, but out of His love God sent His Son (John 3:16) to make substitutionary atonement for the believer's sin. It is in this way that the Father's wrath is propitiated (satisfied, appeased). His wrath against the sin of the believer has been turned away and directed toward Christ who paid the price of atonement on the cross. John uses the word "Advocate" in reference to Christ. That means defender. When the believer is lured by Satan to sin, Christ in effect points to His finished work on the cross and says on our behalf, "Charge that to My account!" Johnny, when we teach that the believer forfeits his free gift of salvation, received by the marvelous grace of Almighty God through faith in His glorious Son, because he cannot live the perfect life, before or after salvation, we are back on the seriously flawed doctrinal road of salvation by our own works, a tenet that the Bible does not support and one that makes man and his works the determinant factor in salvation and reduces to nothingness the redemptive work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Salvation is of God, from the alpha to the omega of it. All glory and praise to God and His Christ, now and forevermore. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Can a born again sin as they did before? | 1 John 1:8 | jlpangilinan | 67896 | ||
Agreed, I did not say we cannot sin, but not as grave as before when not yet "born again" like what i said if I am a hired killer before then called to salvation been "born again" then Christ live in me and not mine I dont think I can be same person again. I still can sin but not a hired killer again. Johnny |
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