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1 | Acts 10:47? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Morant61 | 113753 | ||
Greetings Rowdy! You wrote: "Now on the subject of Cornelius, his family and their being saved: this too is a tough subject. I've got to say it seems to me it's fairly obvious that Cornelius was saved in much the same manner as the Apostles. Don't you know that the Apostles were all baptized AFTER receiving the Empowerment of the Holy Ghost on that sacred 1st day of the church?" Where is Scripture does it say that these two groups were to be saved in a different manner than the rest of mankind? If baptism is essential for salvation, then how could they be saved without it? Yet, we have to be baptized to be saved? In my view, Acts 10:47 is the fatal blow to the baptismal regeneration position and demonstrates conclusively that Acts 2:38 has been misinterpreted my friend. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Acts 10:47? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Rowdy | 113758 | ||
I can only respond with the facts as they are presented in God's Word. Numerous examples in the scriptures point out the urgent need of baptism as in the Ethiopian eunuch and the Phillipian jailer. It seems in almost all the examples I know about that baptism was an essential step in this process, thus the urgency. Also, it doesn't say in Acts 10:47 the Apostles or Cornelius was saved without baptism. If he were, it seems he would have waited on being baptized until there were more witnesses. This was a major event if you remember, the first time a christian jew converted a gentile to christianity. Remember Peter had to be convinced with a dream to do this and he told the story again to his fellow christian jews in Jerusalem because of this radical departure from the previous regime of Godliness for everyone. With all of that importance to this change and the lack of importance of baptism in the scenario you describe, why wouldn't Peter have wanted many more witnesses? No, my friend, I'm afraid I'll stick to my conclusion that baptism is essential for our salvation. I'd also be interested in your response to all the other points in both of my posts to you. Do continue studying and praying on this subject with an open mind. God bless you. |
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3 | What do you do with Acts 8:16? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 113801 | ||
How can you ignore Scripture ... Cornelius and comapny were saved before they were baptized. What do you do with Acts 8:16? | ||||||
4 | What do you do with Acts 8:16? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 113840 | ||
Withdrawing questions for peace | ||||||
5 | What do you do with Acts 8:16? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Rowdy | 118646 | ||
First of all, I must apologize for not responding earlier so as to prevent your withdrawal. As long as a person is quoting and asking a question from the Bible directly to me, I'm ALWAYS willing to at least discuss it, especially if the verse is from the NT. Inserted for reference: Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit. You emphasize verse 16 and I'm inferring you are emphasizing the word "simply." From that assumption, I can only conclude you might be thinking this means that being "baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus" does not mean that these folks were saved. Maybe in today's world without the miraculous measure of the Holy Spirit evident all everyone christians went in the first century this use of the word simply might mean such a thing. BUT I think there was so much emphasis and attraction to miracles and the ability to perform them (just as we see in the verses following 17) that some christiains felt "left out" and not fully in receipt of God's portion of christianity He was pouring out on the whole world AT THAT TIME. This is the main reason so much of Paul's writing to the Corinthians was devoted to the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit. Most christians ended up misusing them or at the very least misunderstanding their main purpose, thus their ending is forecasted in 1 Cor 13. If a person analyzes the logic in this thread with emphasis on the statement as you've made, I'm afraid almost anyone would see the error in your conclusion. I see your point but it's merely just ONE WAY to interpret verse 16 and since the bulk of the NT clearly portrays baptism as prerequisite to salvation, I'll have to stick to the Bible's emphasis on all the 5 steps of salvation as cited earlier. IF I've drawn the wrong conclusion from your post, please correct me and I'll try again. Thanks and God bless. --Rowdy |
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6 | What do you do with Acts 8:16? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Rowdy | 118761 | ||
I thought of another illustration that might make this even more clear. Have you ever been through a special canvasing of a community with flyers with coupons to a local business? And then follow up that campaign with another one in a neighboring community but with a few minor differences, maybe an expiration date on each of the coupon sheets? Or some other differnce? Maybe one is better than the other, with larger discounts? That's the scenario I would paint for you to help you understand the first century world of christians. Now remember, we're dealing with first century christians who were just getting acquainted with God and Godliness as in the case of Corinth. So, in some cities, word of this miraculous measure of power from the Holy Spirit was being spread around the known world, originating in Jerusalem. As you can imagine the cities (congregations of christians) who didn't have these miraculous powers would want those powers and want them very badly, maybe even lust for these abilities. Now maybe you can imagine just how bad things were in the first century and no wonder that our Lord DOESN'T see fit to have this miraculous age to go on with human beings in control. Once again, our Lord wants us to graduate from this kind of simple and shallow spiritual depth in our walk with God. He wants us to grow and mature and get out of this kind of addiction for the physical world and learn to prefer His world of the spiritual, the infinite over the finite. I hope this analogy helps all those who might read this thread. God bless. --Rowdy |
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