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1 | Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 113478 | ||
Scripture ... Jhn 5:24, Rom 3:28, 1Co 12:13, 2Co 3:17, Gal 3:26-27, Eph 2:8-9, Heb 11:7, 1Pe 3:18-22, 2Pe 2:5; 3:6 ... "For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; (19) in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, (20) who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. (21) And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—NOT the removal of dirt from the flesh, BUT an appeal to God for a good conscience — through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (22) who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him," (1 Pet. 3:18-22, NASB). The key word is the Greek antitupon, "corresponding to that," NIV translates as "symbolizes," and the KJV as "like figure." 1 Peter 3:21 shows that baptism is a symbol of His death and His death does save us. Remember that Noah and family didn't get wet, those who died did. It was Noah's faith and obedience that saved him (Heb 11:7). Peter refers to the flood waters as the means of destruction of the ungodly (2 Pet 2:5; 3:6) What like is the figure? The ark in (vs 20). The water didn't save Noah's 8, nor did it remove of dirt from the flesh, unless they were outside while it was rain. Could it be that "corresponding to that" (vs 21) refers back to "safely" (vs 20)? “Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh”--not a bath, not physical water! But the answer of “what”? A good conscience toward God. Then, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Pet 3:21 talks about the conscience and says this is not about removal of dirt from the flesh. I see it is baptism by the Holy Spirit through Christ's resurrection. Does the baptism refer to water baptism, or that by the Holy Spirit (1Co 12:13, 2Co 3:17 and Gal 3:26-27)? The Holy Spirit. It is by faith alone that we are saved (Jhn 5:24, Rom 3:28, Eph 2:8-9 ... and more) Also read posts 2608 2607 |
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2 | Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist | 1 Pet 3:21 | arrow1 | 113494 | ||
John 5:24, Romans 3:28, Eph 2:8-9 do not say faith "alone". In fact the phrase faith alone is found nowhere in scripture(except in James, but that doesn't help your view). 'Corresponding to that' refers to 'safely'? that is a real stretch. Water Baptism is how you make the pledge, and in making that pledge you will receive the Holy Spirit. Again baptism is a spiritual act of faith, in baptism God is the one who is doing the work, saving and cleansing you. Yes, His death does save us, but you have to be put "into Christ" to connect his saving shed blood. Baptism puts us "in Christ", Romans 6:3-4, Galatians 3:26-27, if done as an act of faith and obedience through a repentant heart. |
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3 | Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 113513 | ||
I am saved by faith. Period. Does baptism save? NO ... and if you read the Greek in 1 Peter 3:18-22 you will see I am correct. |
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4 | Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist | 1 Pet 3:21 | jcsav | 113551 | ||
One is saved by God's Grace and if I may Illustrate: You are on a sinking ship (sin).And you spot a life raft (Grace). So, you jump (faith) into the life raft. Are you saved because you jumped or because there was a life raft? Because, there was a life raft. You jumped out of the need. It is the same with the doctrine of Baptisms. Would you be saved if you didn't jump? The merit is not in the jumping. | ||||||
5 | Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist | 1 Pet 3:21 | arrow1 | 113573 | ||
I have no idea what that illustration meant, I'm not trying to be funny, it just doesn't make sense. I'll try to interject a thought and see if it applies. How about by faith you get baptized into Christ(jump into the raft). There now that makes sense. | ||||||
6 | Answering Baptismal Regenerationalist | 1 Pet 3:21 | jcsav | 113648 | ||
Close, enought. Long as you know the difference between Grace and Faith. Which you seem to know. I put faith in with baptism on the jump. Maybe that helps. | ||||||