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1 | How literal do we go? | 1 Pet 3:1 | EdB | 124522 | ||
joyduncan I think your taking the Hollywood version of how women were treated in Judaism and later Christianity. Read Proverbs 31 and tell me the woman here was a Taliban woman. Read the stories of Mary and Martha or any of the women that followed Jesus as he travel throughout Israel and tell me they were Taliban women. Remember what we see in the middle east today is not the result of Judaism or Christianity but rather a man made religion Islam. Also know that women's condition did not sink to the state until nearly 500 years later when Islam was invented. We can't expect Jesus or Paul to address issues that never existed. Later we see nearly same conditions for women happen in Europe and America. Why ignorance of God's word. Men read a passage that said women should be silent, women should be in submission and that was enough for them. Had the same passages used men instead of women you would have seen how quick they would have been to put them rightly in context. :-) Again I think you view of slavery is through the eyes of Hollywood and cases of mistreatment. The word slavery to use means whips and chains, families torn apart, women raped and children abused. This is not slavery by rather man's abuse of another called slavery. All of that is clearly condemned in scripture. Read the scriptures on the treatment of slaves. On the issue of slaves neither Jesus nor his Apostles ever spoke against slavery only the mistreatment of slaves. In fact slaves are admonished to work and serve their master well in scripture. In some cases we call slavery good. In Germany after the war, the people in the neighboring towns were forced into slavery to clean up the Concentration Camps burying the death and cleaning up the filth. We call that good and justified it by saying now they can never deny it. The scriptures also speak against enslaving ourselves. Which is very common is society today. Anyone that has a mortage or loan is in fact enslaved to the lien holder. EdB |
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2 | Was it like the Taliban? | 1 Pet 3:1 | joyduncan | 124558 | ||
So, you've got me thinking - the "taliban view" of women is from what I've read, not necessarily from Hollywood. Does anyone else have some hard and fast information re: what the real treatment and view of women was at that time? Or does anyone know of a really good place to go for historical information on this? My guess though, from the information that I've read, is that there probably was a much greater range of acceptable treatment of your wife. I'd love some more feedback (as factual as possible) on this. Wow - I've so enjoyed having so an awesome forum for discussion. This is the first one I've joined in on - do they normally go this far? I love it! |
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3 | Was it like the Taliban? | 1 Pet 3:1 | EdB | 124608 | ||
joyduncan Again I gave you some places to read. Read Proverbs 31 and see if there is any indication that women of the time were thought of as Taliban women. Read the gospels and how the women supported Jesus' ministry again not as suppressed women but actually as philanthropists. Read the rest of scripture and see if you can find a place where Jewish or Christian women were treated as Taliban women by Jewish or Christian men. Read the book Manners and Customs of the Bible Times, Moody Press or The Life and times of Jesus the Messiah, Edersheim Press or Today’s Handbook of Bible Times and Customs, Bethany Press or The Heart of Hebrew History, Broadman press. EdB |
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4 | Was it like the Taliban? | 1 Pet 3:1 | joyduncan | 124627 | ||
Just this morning though I was reading in John 4 that Jesus' disciples were surprised to find him talking to a woman. That sounds a little indicative of general supression, don't you think? I do agree that Proverbs 31 and other passages may seem to give women more place, more standing in society. Proverbs 31 though was written hundreds of years before the NT. I guess there probably was quite a span in treatment of women to go along with the huge span of time that passed during the writing of the Bible. Thank you for the other references. I have also been told that there is an excellent book on this entire thread of converstaion called Slavery, Women and Homosexuality that I am going to have to check out. | ||||||
5 | Was it like the Taliban? | 1 Pet 3:1 | EdB | 124628 | ||
joyduncan John 4:27 And at this point His disciples came, and they marveled that He talked with a woman; yet no one said, "What do You seek?" or, "Why are You talking with her?" First single Jewish men did not speak to a single woman not because she was beneath them, remember there is not command in the scripture for woman to submit to man, the command pertains only to married couples. They did this because it could be mis-interrupted and they be accused of some indiscretion. So in fact this was done to protect BOTH their reputations. Secondly this woman was a Samaritan, Jews had no contact with Samaritans. Therefore the disciples were surprised by Jesus’ openly breaking that cultural barrier. EdB |
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