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1 | Why change order of commandments? | Deut 5:21 | Reformer Joe | 32318 | ||
Emmaus: Please remind me of where I have accused you of idolatry directly. It is pretty clear that the angels on the ark and the bulls in the temple and the bronze serpent were not crafted as objects of worship. And, while I disapprove personally of human renderings of God the Father, most do not use them as objects of veneration. The pictures of "saints" are no different than pictures of my pet boxer as far as the worship value assigned to them. The golden calf, the Asherah poles, the statues of Dagon and Baal and Molech are clear Biblical examples of the use of statues for veneration. The bronze serpent itself fell into use as an idol and was broken into pieces as a result (see 1 Kings 18:4). The question is where Catholic statues and imagery falls on the continuum between mere works of art and objects of veneration and worship. And, biblically speaking, all Catholics are NOT Christians, any more than are all Protestants. And whether or not you worship statues, you need to pay a visit to Latin America to see just how idolotrous that strand of Roman Catholicism is when it comes down to lying prostrate before statues and making offerings to statues and wearing medallions with Mary to protect oneself, etc., etc. You cannot honestly tell me that you don't know of those things going on without a word of rebuke from Rome. --Joe! |
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2 | Why change order of commandments? | Deut 5:21 | Emmaus | 32350 | ||
Joe, You asked:"Please remind me of where I have accused you of idolatry directly." I was think of your post of 12-13-01 "Stop making so much of the wedding at Cana! It is such blasphemy to suggest that Mary has to "prod" Jesus -- very God of very God -- into doing what He purposed to do before the foundation of the world. A contemptible heresy is hat it is, Emmaus. A violation of the First Commandment, too, at its heart." Emmaus |
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3 | Why change order of commandments? | Deut 5:21 | Reformer Joe | 32354 | ||
Ah, yes. Well, technically, it is a violation of the First Commandment, not the second, in saying that Mary is bossing an otherwise reluctant God the Son around regarding His redemptive work. I wouldn't classify this as idolotry, however. --Joe! |
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4 | Why change order of commandments? | Deut 5:21 | David B | 32489 | ||
I'm not sure whether you meant to or not, but this response really got me thinking about the incredible wonder of the Incarnation. Perhaps we all cringe (I did) at your choice of words: "Mary is bossing an otherwise reluctant God the Son", yet there's something of a marvelous mystery here that awes me. The Son of God "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death . . ." You know, He endured far worse than the "bossing" of a Jewish Mother (who, we all agree, loved Him very much.) But He *really* became a little Child. And little children are commanded to obey their parents. And He became a Man. And even grown men are commanded to honor their mother and father. And don't we believe He did that better than any man ever has? No doubt that makes our God look pretty silly to those who find the Incarnation a scandal -- those who don't believe. But I do believe -- and fall down in awe before Him. Praise be Jesus Christ! David |
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5 | Why change order of commandments? | Deut 5:21 | Reformer Joe | 32501 | ||
It is the implication that Jesus was reluctant to begin His ministry that I find so offensive..the idea that Mary had to "jump-start" it. That is reading far too much into the text, making it to be a proof-text for an extrabiblical idea that arose from human tradition. --Joe! |
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