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1 | Why change order of commandments? | Deut 5:21 | Emmaus | 32279 | ||
Joe, My point about the lists used by Protestants and Catholics for Sunday school are that they are both edited for teaching and memorization purposes. And in Deuteronomy you will note that wife is before the posessions, but in Exodus 20:17 the wife is in the middle of the posessessions, so the division there is not as logical as in Deut 5:21. Do you think the Jews venerated the Ark? "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. " How about those angels on the Ark Ex 25:18-20 and the tapestry 26:1 and 1 Kings 6:23-28? How about the brass serpent Num 21:9 and those 1 Kings 7:29 and 1 King 7:36 and 2 Chronicles 4:4? Who told Solomon to add those oxen? How about photos of our deceased loved ones? Do you own any books with illustrations of God, Jesus or the saints? Is one perhaps a Bible? Did the Jews or are you violating the commandment in any of these ways? Or is veneration different from idolatry? Or was God confused giving contradictory orders? "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth." Joe, You have already accused me of idolatry directly. Why dance around by implication now? Hindus are not Christians, Catholics are. Of course you may disagree. But the Catholic creed makes it explicit that they do not worship more than one God nor worship statues. Hindus are polytheists. Emmaus |
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2 | Why change order of commandments? | Deut 5:21 | Reformer Joe | 32318 | ||
Emmaus: Please remind me of where I have accused you of idolatry directly. It is pretty clear that the angels on the ark and the bulls in the temple and the bronze serpent were not crafted as objects of worship. And, while I disapprove personally of human renderings of God the Father, most do not use them as objects of veneration. The pictures of "saints" are no different than pictures of my pet boxer as far as the worship value assigned to them. The golden calf, the Asherah poles, the statues of Dagon and Baal and Molech are clear Biblical examples of the use of statues for veneration. The bronze serpent itself fell into use as an idol and was broken into pieces as a result (see 1 Kings 18:4). The question is where Catholic statues and imagery falls on the continuum between mere works of art and objects of veneration and worship. And, biblically speaking, all Catholics are NOT Christians, any more than are all Protestants. And whether or not you worship statues, you need to pay a visit to Latin America to see just how idolotrous that strand of Roman Catholicism is when it comes down to lying prostrate before statues and making offerings to statues and wearing medallions with Mary to protect oneself, etc., etc. You cannot honestly tell me that you don't know of those things going on without a word of rebuke from Rome. --Joe! |
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3 | Why change order of commandments? | Deut 5:21 | Norrie | 32345 | ||
I remember in May we would crown statues of Mary w/flowers and sing her praises. We had our own church ceremony, then all the Cath would meet in ballpark for huge Mary crowning. Mama would set her statue of Mary up in LR and we'd have to pray the Rosary. | ||||||
4 | Why change order of commandments? | Deut 5:21 | David B | 32377 | ||
When I became Catholic, this was a struggle for me, so I think I might understand why you ask the question. In fact, one of the first things I heard about Catholics when I became a new Christian was that Catholics changed the Ten Commandments to cover up their forbidden worship of images. And it was one of the last things about Catholicism that I got cleared up. Much of what cleared things up for me has already been said. I'd just like to add a couple of small things that were important to me. Lutherans use the "Catholic numbering" of the Commandments. The Orthodox (whom no one accuses of being iconoclasts) use the "Protestant numbering". It was mainly the influence of St. Augustine (a Western Christian who seems to be held in high regard by most all Christians including not a few "anti-Catholics") that led the Catholic Church (and Lutherans) to number the Ten Commandments as they do. The Orthodox warmly embrace the veneration of images (as was commended to all the faithful by the Second Council of Nicaea), yet they apparently see no need to "cover it up" by some "nefarious renumbering" of the Ten Commandments. The influence of St. Augustine was much less in the East, after all. I've come to see this question as something of a "tempest in a teapot." Clearly the veneration of images remains a point of disagreement between Protestants and Catholics. Nor is it the first time Christians have disagreed about it. To a certain extent, it is merely the symptom of the much more fundamental disagreement over authority. For Catholics, the decision of Nicaea II is just as authoritative as the decision of the Council of Jerusalem (in Acts 15) which also dealt with a difference in how Christians should interpret the Old Testament. Protestants disagree. I pray we'll someday all agree again. Praised be Jesus Christ! David Burton |
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