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1 | God's Word: for Israel, for us? | Heb 8:9 | jlpangilinan | 60530 | ||
The law that given to israel in horeb are very specific to them. De 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. De 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. it was mentioned there "who are all of us here alive this day" we are not included in that law. This promises to abraham is very specific to Israel: Ge 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Ge 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. It was mentioned there I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; If I am included in that promises I should have rights to be in canaan. There are covenant that different from the covenant that give made to them. Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. Those are some verses that I can quote. But when the time of new testament all of promises of Christ is applicable to anyone that will received Him. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. God bless, Johnny |
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2 | OT Promises for New Testament believers? | Heb 8:9 | Mommapbs | 60540 | ||
Greetings Johnny. Thank you for your reply. I agree we are not under the Law. And I also agree that as Gentiles, we have no "right" to the land that God promised as a possession to Israel. However, I base my reasoning upon Gen 17:19. God specifically DENIES the descendents of Ishmael from His promise of the land. Some may argue that as believers, we are ingrafted branches into Israel and therefore suggest that as "adopted" children we too have a "right" to the promised land. Yet, throughout Scripture we see earthly reminders of a Heavenly reality. OUR inheritance is an eternal one, a promised land that will never fade away . . . However, I am more interested in whether or not we can appropriate the PROMISES of God in the OLD Testament. For example, see the passage in Jer 29:11-14. Can believers draw comfort from these promises to the nation of Israel in exile? Why or why not? Please support your answer. Blessings, Mommapbs |
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3 | OT Promises for New Testament believers? | Heb 8:9 | Searcher56 | 60543 | ||
Scripture ... Mat 5:17-20; Act 15:1-21; Rom 9:11-24; Gal 4:1-7, 5:16-26 ... Mommapbs, Again I say ... there are promises (warnings) for specific people and sometimes a specific period ... yes, there are promises (warnings) for all. We cannot claim those which do not belong to us, including 1 Chr 7:14. Side note ... I think it is tougher to be led by the Holy Spirit than to be under the (OT) Law. The latter didn't always look at the heart. However, the Law has never be done away ... yet, the early church only put a few restrictions on us Gentiles. I think as adopted ones, we still need to obey the Father, just as the natural sons. Searcher |
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4 | OT Promises for New Testament believers? | Heb 8:9 | Mommapbs | 60550 | ||
Thanks Searcher! I read your references and don't understand how you arrived at the statement,"We cannot claim those which do not belong to us, including 1 Chr 7:14." This is a promise, yes as it was written to Israel, but what about Romans 9:23-26, 30-33? What about this righteousness that comes from faith? Doesn't our training in this righteouness come from ALL Scripture? (2 Tim 3:16) Woe is me if I (as one of His people who are not His people Hosea 2:23) cannot depend upon the promise of God (to Israel)that He will forgive me when I call upon Him in repentance! (2 Chron 7:14) Blessings, Mommapbs |
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5 | OT Promises for New Testament believers? | Heb 8:9 | Searcher56 | 60556 | ||
Mommapbs, It should be 2 Chr 7:14. 2 Chr 7:13 "If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among My people, 14 and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land. We, as Christians, may be His people and called by His name. However, we do not have land, which describes a nation, in particular Israel. It is important to read the entire context. This verse also is not the USA. We are not His people and nor called by His name. We have not seen locust for awhile. Romans 9:23-26, 30 is about us Gentiles ... Romans 9:27-29, 31-33 is about Israel. Searcher |
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