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1 | What is interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 | Heb 6:9 | fundamentals | 220813 | ||
Hebrews 6:4-6 has always been a problem text for a lot of people - myself included. There are two aspects that I ponder. The first is in relation to the concept that "it is impossible.....to renew them again to repentance" if they "fall away". I seek comments and opinions as to whether this means that those who renounce Christ or turn their backs on Him once they have been saved - can never again come to the cross in repentance. The second aspect is that if we sin, we "crucify again for themselves (ourselves) the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame". Does this mean that each time we sin Jesus must be re-crucified in order for us to come back to him? What degree of sin must we commit in order to make Christ suffer his death again each time we fall? Or is this simply a reminder that our sin hurts God deeply? I realize that this is one of the sore points between the Arminian and Calvinist views of salvation and it is a difficult passage, however I am currently in a Bible discussion group that is pondering this passage right now and I would appreciate any thoughts that anyone (Arminian or Calvinist) has on the passage. God Bless. |
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2 | What is interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 | Heb 6:9 | fundamentals | 221710 | ||
My dear friends. I want to thank all of you for your thoughtful comments. Even though many of them were made from a "theological" perspective involving interpretation of words and intent of phrases. I had hoped that the discussion would have been much deeper and richer from the heart than that and so I want to lay out my heart so that you can see where I am coming from on this issue. For me, this passage puts a lot of life's sorrows into proper perspective. When I think that I have a God who loves me with a perfect father love, who came into the experience of mankind and gave His life - make no mistake, this Jesus was God dying on the cross - so that He might love me with a perfect love and have a relationship with me (and us). There are times that He is hurt deeply - if you love deeply you can be hurt deeply, that's life - so deeply, in fact that it must seem like death to Him. As a race we are prone to our arrogance, sin and pride. We need little instruction about how to hurt someone close to us, let alone the Lord of our lives. How petty my own hurts become in that realization! But what moves me more than all is THAT HE DIED TO DRAW ME CLOSE TO HIMSELF AND HE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO IT AGAIN if it was necessary - if I cried out to Him. That love staggers me. I cannot imagine any gift in life as great as this love that God shows towards me. Yet I am the worst and most unlikely candidate to deserve that love. In the 50 or so years I have been aware that God loves me, the realization of the greatness of that love grows each day. I have received gifts I didn't deserve. I have been corrected by a Father who loves me deeply. I have lived my life in His shadow - in the shadow of the cross, knowing that He would do it all again to draw me to Him. When I read Hebrews 6:4-6, my tears flow. What a wonderful Savior, Father and friend He is to me. I tell Him every morning that I cannot live without Him and that I humbly accept the love He has for me. That is my interpretation of this passage. |
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3 | What is interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 | Heb 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 221718 | ||
Dear fundamentals, I have something fundamental to bring up with you. Why eschew "interpretation of words and intent of phrases?" (sic) This is particularly odd from a person who (1) is communicating with others with words and phrases; (2) is grateful for "thoughtful comments" which are communicated with words and phrases; (3) is a teacher who, one may assume, uses words and phrases with which to instruct; (4) is posting on a forum dedicated to a specific text: the Bible; (5) is evidencing an emotional response to that text; and (6) is rendering an interpretation of text in the same post as he denigrates interpretation. God, Himself, invented language (Genesis 1:5) and, creating man in His image, imbued him with language (Genesis 2:16) with which the Creator also informed man of his role in creation. Even before the fall, language was an necessary component of the first task given to God by Adam (Genesis 2:19). Thus, language was an essential aspect of man's relationship with God, and man's relationship with his mate (Genesis 2:23). Indeed, without language we would know little of God and none of this history. God places His word above His own name (Psalm 138:2). Psalm 119 asserts the indispensable character of the word for men. God places a higher value on the word than other possible forms of communication (Jeremiah 23:28-29). It is the basis by which men will be judged (Deuteronomy 18:19; Matthew 12:36). In fact, the very Son of God is described as the Word (John 1:1-5; cf Hebrews 1:1-2). The verbal, plenary inspiration of the Bible -- a crucial doctrine in sola Scriptura -- recognizes the immense value of language. Paul, bases an entire doctrine on whether a single Hebrew word is plural or not (Galatians 3:16). We have whole passages given to the importance of language -- is there anyone that knows their Bible that can dispute the fundamental and all important aspect of words and phrases? Sir, with all due respect, show me your doctrine without words and phrases, and I will show you my doctrine with words and phrases. No, the words and phrases of Scripture were contrived by God Himself in order to instruct and correct our us (2 Timothy 3:16-17). It is, in fact, our very life (John 5:24). In Him, Doc |
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4 | What is interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 | Heb 6:9 | fundamentals | 221721 | ||
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9 and 10 |
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5 | What is interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 | Heb 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 221735 | ||
Dear fundamentals, Note that there are nine chapters of sound doctrine that lead to Paul's admonition. You skipped an essential verse, as well... "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;" (Romans 10:8 KJV) Although you dislike words and phrases, posting unqualified verses, lacking proper context, will edify no one. If you are to assume the role of teacher, you must be the kind of man that is "Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers." (Titus 1:9 KJV) By the way, do you know who coined the word fundamentalism? His name was J. Gresham Machen, a professor of theology at Princeton, and the founder of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. He wrote, "You will have battles when you go forth as minister into the church. The church is now in a period of deadly conflict. The redemptive religion known as Christianity is contending, in our own church and in the all the larger churches of the world, against a totally alien type of religion. As always, the enemy conceals his most dangerous assaults under pious phrases and half-truths. The shibboleths of the adversary have sometimes a very deceptive sound. 'Let us propagate Christianity,’ the adversary says, 'but let us not always be engaged in arguing in defense of it; let us make our preaching positive, and not negative; let us avoid controversy; let us hold to a Person and not to a dogma; let us sink small doctrinal differences and seek the unity of the church of Christ; let us drop doctrinal accretions and interpret Christ for ourselves; let us look for our knowledge of Christ, not to ancient books, but to the living Christ in our hearts; let us not impose Western creeds on the Eastern mind; let us be tolerant [thinking all views are equally correct] of opposing views.' Such are some of the shibboleths of that agnostic Modernism which is the deadliest enemy of the Christian religion today. They deceive some of God’s people some of the time; they are heard sometimes from the lips of good Christian people, who have not the slightest inkling of what they mean. But their true meaning, to thinking men, is becoming increasingly clear. Increasingly it is becoming necessary for a man to decide whether he is going to stand or not to stand for the Lord Jesus Christ as he is presented to us in the word of God." Young man, almost a century has past since those words were spoken. Those to whom Machen was referring, were known as liberals. They opposed the careful historical-grammatical interpretation of the texts of Scripture. In Him, Doc |
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