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1 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | stjohn | 195165 | ||
Hi Cheri, You may want to have a look at this excerpt from, www.forgottenword.org/osteen.html "Even though John Osteen "insisted" that GOD TOLD HIM (emphasis mine) he was going to preach into his 90s, he professed healing on his death bed to no avail. He told his parishioners that God was going to give him new body parts and that he was going to be healed. He passed away against his own beliefs that he would not for years to come." That is called false prophecy, and we all, I would think know, what God thinks of false prophets. Is 9:15. Jer 5:31. Jer 6:13. Jer 14:14. Jer 23:14. Jer 23:25..Jer 23:26. Jer 27:15. Lam 2:14. Ezek 13:9. Ezek 22:28. Matt 7:15. Matt 24:11. Matt 24:24. Mark 13:22. Luke 6:26. Acts 13:6. 2 Pet 2:1. 1 John 4:1. Rev 16:13...... etc. Here is the link again, www.forgottenword.org/osteen.html God bless John |
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2 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | skccab | 195168 | ||
Hey John, Thanks for that excerpt. I never knew John O personally of course, just listened some 30 years ago to his cassette tapes. He seemed to have a good heart, and love for God. I had never heard that of him before, sad to see he was mistaken in some areas. Maybe I'm a "softie" but in John's defense, just because he was deceived, doesn't mean that he was a deceiver by intention (we are not the readers of hearts and motives). :-) Nor that he, too, could not have been used of God for Godly purposes. I've got 2 dear sweet sisters under Joel's tutelage (?) right now and I'm treading those waters very carefully. My screaming bad bad bad could do more damage to their young faith than his teachings can, I think. Or at least that's what I'm trying to avoid. Pray for them and for me, that I listen to what the Spirit tells me to say to them. I meet with one every week and she's hungry for the Word of Truth. Cheri |
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3 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | DocTrinsograce | 195172 | ||
"Osteen reflects the broader assumption among evangelicals that we are saved by making a decision to have a personal relationship with God. If one's greatest problem is loneliness, the good news is that Jesus is a reliable friend. If the big problem is anxiety, Jesus will calm us down. Jesus is the glue that holds our marriages and families together, gives us purpose for us to strive toward, wisdom for daily life. And there are half-truths in all of these pleas, but they never really bring hearers face to face with their real problem: that they stand naked and ashamed before a holy God and can only be acceptably clothed in His presence by being clothed, head to toe, in Christ's righteousness. "This gospel of 'submission,' 'commitment,' 'decision,' and 'having a personal relationship with God' fails to realize, first of all, that everyone has a personal relationship with God already: either as a condemned criminal standing before a righteous judge or as a justified co-heir with Christ and adopted child of the Father. 'How can I be right with God?' is no longer a question when my happiness rather than God's holiness is the main issue. My concern is that Joel Osteen is simply the latest in a long line of self-help evangelists who appeal to the native American obsession with pulling ourselves up by our own bootstraps. Salvation [to them] is not a matter of divine rescue from the judgment that is coming on the world, but a matter of self-improvement in order to have your best life now." --Dr. Michael S. Horton Read the full article at: http://www.wscal.edu/faculty/wscwritings/horton.osteen/glorystory.php |
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4 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | skccab | 195177 | ||
Doc, I've already stated that I am not a fan of Joel, I've got 2 people following his weekly TV show that I'm wanting to get them away. I think I have one now that is only watching cos it creates a bond with her real-life sister (whom I'm not personally friends with yet). What I'm saying is that the person who is truly called of God to come will eventually find that Joel's teachings are greatly lacking and they will seek the Word elsewhere (Was it a terrible thing that Joel got them started?) For the ones who go to Joel purely for what they can gain in the world and in the fleshly realm would not hear the true gospel anyway for they are not answering to the call of the Spirit - they are answering the call of their own flesh. (And while Joel and the many others of his genre are touting the fleshly "gospel" they can and probably do keep many from being downright "lawless" and point them to a somewhat higher directive.) I am in no way "for" these guys, I don't think that they are a "great thing" but they do serve a purpose. And to think that someone who is truly called of God to become a child of God could be misled and kept from their salvation in Yeshua by their teachings seems to me to be limiting the power of God's calling and limiting the power and ability of the Holy Spirit to accomplish that work. Cheri |
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5 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | DocTrinsograce | 195187 | ||
Dear Cheri, Well, if I understand you correctly, yes God can and does make use of all men. However, that is something of the nature of our God, it does not reflect the character of the men He uses. God even makes use of Satan, yet without it having effect on the devil's character. Our efforts should be to battle deception with the truth and the power of the Holy Spirit. The false teaching of various cults in our day bring great harm to many people. Our God is incredible, for He can turn around even the worst of the deceivers and the deceived. Nevertheless, we should not forget that Christian truth has vanished where it once flourished. As believers, we are called to push back the darkness as true soldiers of the cross. In Him, Doc |
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6 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | skccab | 195189 | ||
Doc, Much appreciated. And I agree completely. I don't want to sit back and watch "good" people go under false teachings. (I was one of those people once, a long time ago.) But can't we do it without bashing those that we are standing against? Certainly, we don't raise them up, but can't we calmly present The Way (the better way) without calling names, pointing fingers, and basically sounding like them? Cheri |
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7 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | DocTrinsograce | 195221 | ||
Dear Cheri, The pattern that we seek to emulate is set in Scripture. In your study of Galatians, for example, you will see a clear instance of one apostle calling another to public account for misbehavior. Those who elevate themselves to a public ministry require that they be corrected in a public fashion. Private, interpersonal correction has its place among individual believers who hold no ministerial office. Furthermore, we eschew things like euphemisms, since they are fundamentally deceptive. We must honor and reflect the character of our Lord. The example of Scripture is to call a spade a spade without equivocation. Off the top of my head, here are some examples we have from Scripture in which rebuke was public and explicit. I'm sure there are others. "For Demas, in love with this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica." (2 Timothy 4:10a ESV) "Alexander the coppersmith did me great harm; the Lord will repay him according to his deeds. Beware of him yourself, for he strongly opposed our message." (2 Timothy 4:14-15 ESV) "I have written something to the church, but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority. So if I come, I will bring up what he is doing, talking wicked nonsense against us. And not content with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers, and also stops those who want to and puts them out of the church." (3 John 1:9-10 ESV) Remember, the distinction is that public figures require public rebuke for error, and public commendation for righteousness. It is all about teaching -- both in word and in deed. I also think the old Puritans had it right when they said, "Being kind to the wolf is being cruel to the sheep." In Him, Doc |
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8 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | skccab | 195225 | ||
Doc, Yes, I agree, call any of them to the front. (I'm out of Copeland's teachings and I'm still finding things he said popping up in my memory even tho it's been over 2 decades since I used to listen to him and I'd really like to forget!). I was speaking of when we talk to others who are in their "camp" so to speak. Don't you think there is a better way to draw them to the true teachers without finger pointing, and bad-mouthing those they are listening to? Maybe I'm the exception, but when 20 years ago someone starting talking bad about Kenneth I would just hold the more tightly and defend him and wouldn't listen to what was being said. If those people might have simply showed me what the Bible said against what Kenneth was teaching, I probably would have listened more. I'm personally trying to get someone away from Joel's "feel good" gospel, but I'm treading carefully because of my past experiences. I'm trying real hard not to lift him up but also not to tear him down. He's the one that got her to pur chase a Bible and to read it (well, really, it was the Holy Spirit, but Joel is the one she's been watching on TV). I'm seeing her again tonight, pray I hear the words the Lord wants me to speak - she's sooo close!! Shalom Cheri |
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