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1 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | stjones | 103817 | ||
Greetings, wordoer; In Mark 7:18-19, Jesus specifically mentioned eating, not hand-washing. And he specifically said "all" foods, not ceremonially clean foods. He said these things twice (earlier in v. 14-15). Jesus drove home his point in v. 20-23: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.'" Given Jesus' own explanation, it is clear that he talked about food - not hand-washing - because that's what he meant. Your reference to 1 Tim 4 was very helpful. Writing about false teachers, Paul said "They ... order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer." (v. 3-5) Note the unqualified words "everything" and "nothing." The key is not what goes into the consumer's stomach but what was in his heart to begin with. This helps to put your objection to Makarios' use of 1 Cor 10:25-26 in context. Earlier (v. 18-21), Paul wrote about participating in both pagan feasts and the Lord's Table. His objection was not to the food but to the context: "the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons." (v. 21) Paul then expands on this idea by first stating our freedom in Christ: "'Everything is permissible' - but not everything is beneficial. 'Everything is permissible' - but not everything is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others." (v. 23-24) It is in this context that he writes in verses 25-26 that there is no prohibition against specific foods. The food isn't the problem; the consumer's intent is the problem. In the next section, Paul returns to the subject of meat sacrificed to idols: "If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if anyone says to you, 'This has been offered in sacrifice,' then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake - the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours...." (v. 27-29) Given what Paul wrote in 1 Tim 4:3-5, it is clear that it is the intent, not the species, that matters. The sacrificed meat is to be avoided because to eat it is would be to participate in the unbeliever's intent, that is "to be participants with demons". This may do no harm to the believer: "If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?" (v. 30) But (closing the loop with v. 24) eating the meat and participating in the unbeliever's intent would work against "the good of others"; that is, it would encourage the other's unbelief and set a bad example for other believers. Add to this Peter's vision in Acts 10, and the message is very clear. Eating pork (or rattlesnake, or shrimp) can't make a believer unclean because there are no unclean foods. Jesus, Paul, and God himself speaking to Peter in his vision said so. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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2 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | wordoer | 104301 | ||
Hello Steve, I believe that you already have a preconceived notion and are reading something into these verses; maybe it is because you think "unclean animals" are for "food". I cannot get around the teaching in Lev.11 and Deut.14, of which animals are clean (for food) and unclean (not for food). It reads so plainly that we are not to eat unclean animals. It seems that Sissy is at this point also; further study may be of benefit to others on the forum. For me it is going to far to assume that unclean animals are clean, without scripture to back it up. I only ask that you please refrain from using confusing terminology, I don't know what "ceremonially clean food" is, it only appears that you are trying to reclassify what God in His Word has already classified. The only hurdle for me in continuing this discussion is this question that needs to be addressed first and foremost, Where does the Word of God teach "unclean animals" are for "food"? Paul said we (I think Christians) are destroying speculation and taking every thought captive, we need to take these thoughts captive and examine them to come to the truth. 2 Cor 10:5 We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, Please look at this part of your closing statement; "Eating pork (or rattlesnake, or shrimp) can't make a believer unclean because there are no unclean foods." You are giving examples of what the Bible has classified as "unclean animals" and then saying there are no "unclean foods". To say the least it is confusing. I would agree that there are no unclean foods. What leads you to believe there are no unclean animals? We should look at this with humility and be willing to examine these things to find the truth. I only want to search out the truth, and if it is not the truth it is a lie. If you do not wish to answer my questions I will understand that. Please only reply if you wish to study this further ( I have asked two questions in this post and I would like answers), you may see something in scripture that I don’t, please enlighten me. I would rather study it out to see what is so. I am hoping I may even learn something. I hope this is a help to you and others as well, wordoer |
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3 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | Makarios | 104304 | ||
Greetings Wordoer, I really do not see any other definition of what "unclean food" could mean. In other words, does the word "food" mean "food"?? Even so, even if you continue to hold that Mark 7:18-19 is not speaking of food (which is simply a misinterpretation on your part), then I would contend that in no way is a Christian's salvation at stake should any Christian choose to eat pork. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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