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1 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Hank | 85911 | ||
Scribe writes: "I look more at the fruit of peoples lives to tell if their doctrine is correct." ..... The Bereans "searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." (Acts 17:11). "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:15). The only infallible guide for the Christian faith and practice is God-breathed Scripture. It is profitable for doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16). The way men lead their lives is a poor standard by which to measure doctrine. I have known men who presented an outward appearance of moral uprightness, generosity, and kindness. But some were cult members, some agnostics, others atheists. Their lives were a singularly poor yardstick by which to measure whether their "doctrine" was correct. ...... One more point, if I may. How is it possible to look at a Lutheran and know for sure that he is "dead in his sins"? The way I see it, if one views it as unfair to call Joyce Meyer a false teacher, then it seems unfair to come down so hard on the poor Lutherans. Showing that Joyce Meyer teaches false doctrine is fairly easy. Showing that Lutherans, even if you limit them to the ones you know, are dead in their sins would, I submit, be considerably more difficult. To say that Joyce Meyer teaches false doctrine is not judging her salvation but evaluating her teaching. To say that "all Lutherans I know are dead in their sins" is not an evaluation of their teaching but a judgment call concerning their salvation. I surely believe that you did not really mean it so harshly as that. --Hank | ||||||
2 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85959 | ||
Part 2 of 2 Now taking the Bible on the subject the Lutheran Pastors I have contact with, are false teachers, because the give their congregation who are immoral and not born again the false sense of security that they are saved. Joyce on the other hand teaches a strong message of holiness and accountability. As stated I have never heard her teach on the descension but hear her call people to a deeper walk with God in every message. So who is the false teacher according to the Bible, the Lutheran pastor that teaches that the member of his congregation that commits adultery will still go to heaven at their funeral, (yes I have heard this) or Joyce who would say if they did not repent in sincerity in truth they went to hell. I think Joyce is in line with scripture on salvation and the doctrine of salvation by faith over every Lutheran I have met so far. Why am I picking on Lutherans, I am not, I am addressing the doctrine of the pastor that is claiming he is an authority on doctrine and Joyce is not and that he wants to paint her as a false prophet. Biblically she does not qualify but the Lutherans I know of do. Let’s stick to what the scripture says about a wandering star and a false teacher and then see who fits the pattern. If you are honest you have to agree that the pattern is that the bible teaches that the false teacher teaches that you can commit fornication, or that the grace of God allows you to commit lasciviousness., etc. So we say we want to be biblical but few us really do it. Instead we run around calling someone a false prophet because we don’t agree with them. Just say you think she is wrong, instead of calling it false doctrine. Or be biblical and Berean like you claim and use scripture that says a false teacher teaches that doctrine that you are saying she is teaching. You do not have the right to call someone a false teacher unless the bible says that they who teach that are false teachers. I have heard Lutherans say someone who died an unrepentant adulterer is in heaven So I can say according to the scriptures that that Lutheran pastor was a false prophet.. or teachers. Because he taught that the person could have his lasciviousness excused because of the Grace of God, though it was a false teaching and not the true Grace of God which teaches… Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; I would end my posts concerning this thread with the reminder that I am sure there are saved born again Lutherans as there are in other denominations world wide and God knows whose are his and let every man that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. This post is not about Lutheran bashing but how that if this Lutheran pastor thinks he has biblical authority to call Joyce a false prophet I have more biblical authority to accuse the Lutheran doctrine of such and mine is more inline with what the scripture describes as a false teacher. |
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3 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | EdB | 85968 | ||
Scribe Your not fighting Lutheran Pastors your fighting once saved always saved. They are saying if your saved and commit adultery it will have no effect on your salvation. Are then saying everyone that teaches once saved always saved is a false teacher? If you are let me knows cause I want to back up about 20 paces before the wrath of the forum hits you. By the way Joyce definitely qualifies as a false teacher. EdB |
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4 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 85975 | ||
I am saying... That if we post all the scriptures on what Paul, Peter, Jude, John described as what a false teacher we should avoid teaches, we see that the number one pattern is that a christian could sin or indulge in the flesh and be blameless. You can apply that to anyone you want and see if that sounds like what they are teaching, then be a berean or be biblical, and from such turn away. |
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5 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | EdB | 86001 | ||
Scribe While Joyce and the others don't say we can indulge in the flesh. They clearly teach flesh indulgence. Give to get. It is basically the same teaching only presented differently. It is worded very carefully as to not choke the listener but the result is the same feed the flesh. EdB |
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6 | can a women preach and teach men | 1 Tim 2:12 | Scribe | 86013 | ||
If that is the case then that would indeed be a false doctrine that is opposite the true grace of God. Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; |
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