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1 | Fruitless Scripture Discussion? | 1 Tim 1:6 | bowler | 206753 | ||
How would you see this verse in light of talking about the scriptures? Being that, all scripture is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, is there any Biblical subject that should be off limits for discussion between the saints? According to this scripture "all" scripture profits and should have an application and we need them all to be eqquipped for every good work. What topic could possibly be off limits between saints? I am sincerely seeking an answer to this because I need to hear and read what others think of this. blessings abound, bowler |
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2 | Fruitless Scripture Discussion? | 1 Tim 1:6 | humbledbyhisgrace | 206763 | ||
bowler, What your asking for is opinion and your sure to get more then one should others decide to respond :-) I'm not aware of any topic rooted in scripture that cannot be discussed. However, we do have 1 Timothy 1:4, 1 Timothy 4:7 , 1 Tim. 6:3-4, 2 Timothy 2:23, Titus 3:9 as examples of things not to do and/or to turn away from. Also, take a look at Ephesians 4:29 (NASB) 29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Something interesting in this verse to me is that it speaks of a word good for the edification according to the need of the moment! Considering the fact we have a tendency to add much opinion when discussing the word, there needs to be wisdom in how we approach it (My opinion) (May the Lord give us wisdom). There may be many different things to consider. For example, some questions ask on this forum really should not be addressed especially with ones opinion with very little or no scripture to back it up. It does not mean the topic should not be discussed among the saints, but it could very well be this forum is not the place to discuss it. Some things are better left to those who are equipped to deal with and on a personal level not via a text only interface. Giving ones opinion in some matters could be extremely harmful even if that is not the intent of the person giving their opinion. In matters like these, it seems the wiser thing to do is to encourage the person to seek guidance from a local pastor or Christian counselor perhaps. They would be much better equipped by God to deal with it. Another example might be topics which tend to create controversy such as the Calvinism and Arminianism discussions. I’ve seen on this forum where some people are equipped to discuss the matter with grace and some who are not. We should be able to discuss these things among the saints, but when the saints don’t act like saints we are no longer edifying but rather turn to glorifying ourselves. So the topic becomes better left alone by some and for others well, their discussions can be edifying to others. But history shows on this text based forum this is one subject that gets out of hand quick! Sad but true! So, as you see I too have a tendency to give opinion :-) Most of us do (I think) approach things with good intentions. But it might also be wise of us to step back from time to time and realize even though we may have an understanding of something our opinions might not be the best thing to offer given the circumstances. Does that help any? Steve |
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3 | Fruitless Scripture Discussion? | 1 Tim 1:6 | bowler | 206782 | ||
Steve Thank you very much for everything you said. Somethig stood out that was very important to me in terms of how it is viewed the word "opinion". I have found that often when one gives the Bible verses and then takes the meaning that the author had for his audience, there is only usually one, that others think one is oferrig their "opinion". This is distrubing. There is indeed only one interpretation of scripture, but various applications. When one sticks to the application that the author had in mind according to his intent, that is sticking to the most literal interpretation that there could possibly be, but that does not mean that there are not other applications for the scripture that are valid, there are. For instance 1 Peter 4:16 "if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed" - this can apply to suffering for preaching, and it can apply to obeying Christ in your personal life in all circumstances. That is two very different applications, one interpertation, two applications. When someone asks a question that is personal in nature, but there is definetely scripture that attends the problem with a literal interpretation, then this should not be seen as offering and "opinion" or pushing ones' view. Literal interpretation is literal interpretation, it is not an opinion, or advice, or pushing a view. I hear you that people who need counseling should go to counseling, but giving them scripture with a literal interpretation without proscribing what exactly is the course of action they should take is not counseling them, or giving advice, or pushing a view, or giving them your opnion. What they do with it is up to them. That is a shame, if it is true, that Calvinism and Arminianism cannot be discussed here. I actually went through some of the branches on that to see what you were talking about. What I found was that some only appeared to have grace on the surface and once the line of sovereignty was crossed in the discussion it digressed into the judgmental, or bordering on being crass in response. I myself am now trying to tread carefully on a number of subjects in here becuase there are people who strongly beleive what they beleive, but I am afraid that presenting evidence to the contrary will only result in either an arugument, or in my post being pulled. I am not here to offend by stating what I believe, I am not here tp push my views. 1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything. By the way what I was asking for was how to interpret a specific scripture in how to apply it - the whole paragraph there before and after in the scripture is definitely about what topics are acceptable to be discussing - to try to understand which ones would be off limits is not asking for an opinion, it is asking for clarification. Thanks for everything you said. blessings abound, bowler |
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4 | Fruitless Scripture Discussion? | 1 Tim 1:6 | humbledbyhisgrace | 206800 | ||
bowler, You said "When someone asks a question that is personal in nature, but there is definetely scripture that attends the problem with a literal interpretation, then this should not be seen as offering and "opinion" or pushing ones' view. Literal interpretation is literal interpretation, it is not an opinion, or advice, or pushing a view." Agreed! But claiming literal interpretation for ones opinion does not make it a literal interpretation! Seems you missed the point altogether. I failed in trying to explain myself so let me try again. Point: Some times, the wise thing to do is point someone to another who is actually equipped to deal with the issue. Your opinions, even if you believe them to be literal interpretation of the scripture and even if they are literal interpretation of scripture are better left on the shelf for the sake of the one who needs helping. The one who is actually equipped to minister to the person in need can not only point them to the truth that the person needs to know and understand, but also can help them work through all that will be required of them to embrace that truth and live it! Let me point you to a perfect example of what I'm trying to get across. Go and read post number 206736. Our brother Hank, one of our elder brothers in the Lord who is more qualified then most on this forum to give an accurate biblical interpretation of scripture shows much godly wisdom in his approach to an issue just like we are discussing now. He could have addressed the issue from scripture but he understands this person needed much more then he could provide with text on a screen. So with compassion he seeks to encourage this person to seek the help they need. And knowing brother Hank like I do I feel confident that he then prayed for this person. If he reads this and I'm wrong I'm sure he will correct me :-) In regards to the Calvinism and Arminianism issue you said "I actually went through some of the branches on that to see what you were talking about. What I found was that some only appeared to have grace on the surface and once the line of sovereignty was crossed in the discussion it digressed into the judgmental, or bordering on being crass in response." Well, seeing how this is all you had to say about this, I have to say this is much to broad a statement leaving the readers of this forum with the impression that any and all who ever discussed this subject only "appeared to have grace on the surface". I would encourage you to read more then a sampling. That way you would be in a better position to cast your judgment. But here again, the point was to show you a topic that when discussed, many times leads to "Fruitless Scripture Discussion". bowler, you closed with this... "By the way what I was asking for was how to interpret a specific scripture in how to apply it - the whole paragraph there before and after in the scripture is definitely about what topics are acceptable to be discussing - to try to understand which ones would be off limits is not asking for an opinion, it is asking for clarification." I pointed you to other scripture for reference and tried to show you application you can see right here on the forum. I take it my attempt did not measure up to your opinion of what you thought the answer should be. What can I say? Steve PS. Don't let the word opinion disturb you. Anyone claiming they don't give opinion simply set themselves up as an authority. That's even more disturbing! Not many around here will buy into that unless the person is spot on ever time and even then (if there were to ever be a then) it would not make one authoritative in regards to the scripture. |
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5 | Fruitless Scripture Discussion? | 1 Tim 1:6 | bowler | 206829 | ||
Steve Thank you for clarifying everything again. I think I said "some only appeared", as in "some" and not all! To be without grace! My good fellow you were not at all not "measuring up", far from it. I am not looking for what my answer should be. I was not trying to imply you had not ansered the question or did not provide scripture! Although I do try hard to stick to the text and not give opinion, I am sure I am guilty of this too. Sorry for the misunderstandings. blessings abound, bowler |
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