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1 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | Makarios | 23014 | ||
Greetings Ed! In fact, I believe that the VERY Scriptures that you have cited (Zech. 14:4, Acts 1:9-11, Matthew 24:27) all support my view that these very events, along with the events in 1 Thess. 4:16-17, all occur on the Day of the Lord, or when Jesus Christ returns to earth. If you look at Zechariah 14, you will see that the chapter begins with verse 1, which says, "Behold, the day of the Lord is coming ... For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem".. Since Zechariah 14 is clearly describing the Day of the Lord and the events thereafter, then we must conclude that the Lord will do battle on the earth, the Battle of Armageddon (Rev. 19), in which His full wrath is unleashed against the whole world of sinners. The Battle of Armageddon takes place AFTER the rapture, since the church will not endure the wrath of God (1 Thess. 5:9). Acts 1:9-11 and Matthew 24:27, also describing the Second Coming or Day of the Lord, is describing how the Lord will return to earth. These verses are both describing the same Day of the Lord, but they are specifically describing His return to earth, not the rapture. The rapture takes place first, and then the Battle of Armageddon follows shortly thereafter, all taking place on the Day of the Lord. So here is my "short chronology" for the events that take place on the Day of the Lord: 1) The Holy Spirit steps aside (2 Thess. 2:7) 2) The antichrist is revealed, the covenant with Israel is agreed upon, the Tribulation begins (Daniel 9:27, 2 Thess. 2:8) 3) Antichrist breaks the covenant with Israel and requires the worship of him alone (Dan. 9:24-27; Matt. 24:15; 2 Thess. 2:3,4), Israel refuses, and the armies of the world gather to annihilate Israel.. 4) Jesus Christ returns and raptures the church (1 Thess. 4:16-17), immediately kills antichrist (2 Thess. 2:8), and returns to earth to the Mount of Olives (Zech. 14:4, Matt. 24:27, Acts 1:9-11), where a national conversion of Israel will occur; accepting Jesus as Messiah (Zech. 12:10-13:1), and the battle of Armageddon is fought (Rev. 19), ending in the Lord's victory. 5) The Millennial Kingdom begins, with Jesus Christ as King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Isaiah 65,66; Rev. 20:4-6). Thank you Ed for supplying me with the Scripture! I'm not sure just how you can argue against the fact that the Bible says that these events take place on the Day of the Lord, or when Christ returns. Blessings to you, Nolan |
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2 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | EdB | 23053 | ||
Nolan I still don't make the connection of the rapture to the Day of the Lord you do. None of these verses say it occurs at the same time and three describe Jesus touching earth the verse I see the rapture in shows Jesus remaining in the clouds. I don't see how you argue against the fact that the Bible shows that these events are seperate and distinct events. blessings to you my brother EdB |
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3 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | Makarios | 23084 | ||
Greetings Ed! Zech. 14:4 is preceded by Zech. 14:1, which says, "a day is coming for the Lord" (i.e., the Day of the Lord). Matthew 24:27 says "so will the coming of the Son of Man be." Acts 1:9-11 says, "This Jesus ... will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven." Also describing a 'return' of Jesus Christ to the earth, which is clearly referencing His Second Coming. With that in mind, 1 Thess. 4:15 states, "the coming of the Lord" and 2 Thess. 2:8 says, "by the appearance of His coming." The Lord is only going to have ONE Second Coming? Correct?? I do not see how anyone can overlook the fact that all of these verses are speaking about "the coming of the Lord", which is His Second Coming, also known as the Day of the Lord. The Bible clearly shows that these events all happen on the same timeframe, the same day. Blessings to you, Nolan |
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4 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | EdB | 23092 | ||
Nolan I still see a difference between the coming of the Lord for His church and the Second coming of Jesus. 1 Thess 4 is talking about the Lord coming for his church. The other verses are talking about Jesus coming to reign on earth. I can't imagine why you can't see that also. EdB |
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5 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | Makarios | 23096 | ||
Greetings Ed! Hehehe, its too bad that we cannot meet in person to discuss this, my friend! :-) We are both baffled by each other! I'm not sure that I can explain my view more precisely, my friend, so I presume that this difficulty is leading us to an empasse.. I apologize that I could not explain my point of view in a way that you could easily understand it. If you are having problems following my explanations, then it is very possible that others on the Forum are in your shoes. If you would like to continue, then we can, even though I see no point in it if neither one of us can see where the other is coming from.. Blessings to you my friend, Nolan |
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6 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | EdB | 23101 | ||
Nolan Again you assume your view is the right view. A high number of bible scholars agree with my position over yours. I think we are a empasse not because we can't articulate our idea clearly enough. I think we are at an empasse because for whatever reason we see the scriptures to say something different than the other. Yours is an idea that was held for many years, mine is a rather new idea last 200 or so years but is probably the most widely accepted. Of this I'm certain Jesus is Coming back. And when he does one of us is going to say wow was I wrong, but you know what? Being wrong won't bother us because it will be overshadowed by the Glory of the Lord. I live for that Day! I wait for that Day! And if it took agreement between us for that day to happen I would agree with you in a second, however it doesn't and I reserve my right to disagree with you on this. Besides just think how much fun one of us will have being able to kiddingly say to the other in heaven nay nay I was right! One Day together with the Lord EdB |
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7 | anti-christ revealed before rapture? | 2 Thess 2:3 | Makarios | 23102 | ||
Greetings Ed! Really, there is no need to assume that mine is the 'correct' view if you hold a different perspective, since eschatology is entirely debatable altogether, my friend! Either way, we can be certain that Jesus is coming back, which is infinitely more important than the chronology of events, and what we are in fact looking forward to! I live for that Day as well my friend! Blessings to you, Nolan |
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