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1 | The Lord Jesus revealed? | 2 Thess 1:7 | Ray | 110587 | ||
1) The letter of 2 Thessalonians has eleven occurances of the "Lord Jesus Christ" in the NKJ. 2) 2 Thessalonians 1:7, talks about when "the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels. Topic: I believe that it is significant that it could be stated that this is the only verse that does not have "Christ" after the Lord Jesus. I would like to encourage reflection on comparing 2 Thessalonians 1:7 with 2 Thessalonians 2:6 and 7. Are there any thoughts about this comparison? From the heart, Ray |
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2 | The Lord Jesus revealed? | 2 Thess 1:7 | terrib | 110612 | ||
Ray, 2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In this verse I see Paul exhorting the church to stand and wait for the end of their tribulation when they all will be reunited at Jesus's coming. 2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. In these verses I see Paul exhorting the church that - in time - the anti-christ will be revealed when - that time - is right but, be aware that the work of the devil is already at hand and is working within the church. Again the church finds corruption brewing within herself: 1. The Pharasees at the Temple in Jerusalem; 2. Judas within the twelve; 3. The papacy at Rome As with our fight for our salvation it seems that our worst enemy always comes from within. The flesh within us and the infiltration of deceit and gile in the church. (Mat 26:41 MKJV) Watch and pray that you enter not into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. Peace terrib |
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3 | The Lord Jesus revealed? | 2 Thess 1:7 | Ray | 110631 | ||
His terrib, This question is in essence 2 Thessalonians 2:6 and 7 revisted. Makarios, Morant61, and I had a discussion in July, 2001 which I recommend to you for reference. Just type in those verses in the Search book on the top left. What I am seeking is an answer to "who is being revealed; Deity or satan?" In other words, which pronouns in these verses should be capitalized? Who is being spoken of in these pronouns? Your King James will not help you in this regard. We will have to interpret it for ourselves. Morant6l of course was helpful in the grammar of the Greek to answer some questions. I think all three of us enjoyed the discussion. But now I wanted to compare our discussion in 2:6,7 with this verse in 2 Thess 1:7. I appreciate your thoughts about the work of the devil being already at hand and is working within the church. It is not hard to see his work everywhere (as well as our own flesh). So now the question is for 2 Thess 2:6. What or who withholdeth? Who is revealed and in whose time? For 2 Thess 2:7, "Who now letteth? Who will be taken out of the way? I suggest using the NASB, NKJ, or any other version that capitalizes Deity so that you have an idea of the possibilities for interpretation. Thanks for your interest and comments. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | The Lord Jesus revealed? | 2 Thess 1:7 | terrib | 110697 | ||
Hi Ray, Come now, let us reason together.. 2 Th 2:6 KJV And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. Let's disect this verse: "And now ye know", and now you know what? What I (Paul) just told you in the previous verses.(2 Th 2:3,4) "what withholdeth", the things that must come to pass before Christ's return. "that he might be revealed", who? the son of perdition. Allow me to paraphrase, extremely! 2 Th 2:1 Listen up brothers concerning the coming of Christ. 2 Th 2:2 Don't get up tight thinking that Christ is coming in the next few days. 2 Th 2:3 Don't believe that heresy. Apostasy must happen first then this anti-christ must set himself up and sit on earth in place of God. And all this takes quite some time. 2 Th 2:4 This son of perdition is full of unrighteousness which will become evident. 2 Th 2:5 Don't you remember I told this stuff last time I was there with you? 2 Th 2:6 Until all this happens, the apostasy, the setting up of a false church and this anti-christ's deceitful plan to become God on Earth, then this anti-christ will be revealed. (as he is now since we are discussing it here). 2 Th 2:7 This craftiness is now at work. And... (allow me to interject a commentary here): From 'John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible': "only he who now letteth, will let, until he be taken out of the way;...that is, the Roman empire and Roman emperors, and which were by degrees entirely removed, and so made way for the revelation of this wicked one: and which was done partly by Constantine the emperor receiving the Christian faith, whereby the Roman empire as Pagan ceased; and by increasing the riches of the church, and feeding the pride, ambition, and covetousness of the bishops, especially the bishop of Rome; and next by removing the seat of the empire from Rome to Byzantium, which he called Constantinople: here the Greek emperors continued in succession, and neither they themselves, nor even their exarchs, resided at Rome, but at Ravenna; so that way was made for antichrist to come to his seat, and there was nothing to rival and eclipse the grandeur, power, and glory of the Roman popes: and that which let was also taken out of the way, by the division of the empire, by Theodosius, giving to his elder son Arcadius, the eastern, and to the younger, Honorius, the western parts of it: the eastern empire was in process of time seized upon and possessed by Mahomet and the Saracens; and the western empire was overrun by the Goths, Vandals, and Huns, and became extinct about the year 476, in Augustulus, the last of the Roman emperors, who was obliged to abdicate the government by Odoacer king of the Heruli; when the kingdom of the Lombards took place in Italy, and afterwards that was translated to Charles the great, king of the French; so that there was nothing more of the Roman empire remaining than the bare name, as at this day; and by this means the popes of Rome got to the height of their power and glory, which is meant by the revelation of the man of sin." So, after all that: 2Th 1:7 KJV And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his (His) mighty angels, 2Th 2:6 KJV And now ye know what (not whom) withholdeth (the things to come - time) that he (satanic) might be revealed in his (satanic) time. 2Th 2:7 KJV For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (Roman references) who now letteth (restrains or stands in the way) will let, until he (Roman references) be taken out of the way. (Paul was not ashamed of the gospel or the consequences of preaching the gospel and if he meant the Holy Spirit here he would have said so. And the church at Thessalonica was young and Paul would have explained explicitly what he meant because they misread the first epistle concerning the time of Christ's coming.) Other versions: 2Th 2:6 (ASV) And now ye know that which restraineth, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season. (CEV) You already know what is holding this wicked one back until it is time for him to come. (ISV) You know what it is that is now holding him back, so that he will be revealed when his time comes. (KJV) And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. (KJVA) And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. (MKJV) And now you know what holds back, for him to be revealed in his own time. Hope this helps. Forgive me for being so lengthy, but I thought others may be reading this and it may also needs some explanation. Peace, Love You Brother terrib |
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5 | The Lord Jesus revealed? | 2 Thess 1:7 | Ray | 110811 | ||
Hi terrib, I recommend #8618 and #8687 for your reading. Tim Moran talks there about the Restrainer. From the heart, Ray |
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