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1 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | DocTrinsograce | 181474 | ||
Dear Edwin, Yes, these questions have often been brought up in the last 20 centuries. They even began to surface in the apostolic era. They were first articulated in gnosticism, then Arianism, followed by Nestorianism, and then Monophysitism. They are echoed today most commonly by Mormons and Russelites, but are also taught to some extent in the Eastern Church. Regarding Luke 22:42 and John 5:30, you asked, "How can God say...?'" "Can?" Apparently He is able, without issue, to do so, for He does so! How could the perfect sacrifice be said to be perfect if we didn't have these expressions of His will in complete and total submission to the righteousness and holiness of God through the law? The purity of gold, for example, remains uncertain until tested. Might I suggest that you turn your questions around? (Remember, we want to take the whole of Scripture into account, not pick and choose verses to reflect our own ideas. The former is God centered, the latter is self centered.) Instead of finding ways to embrace error, embrace the truth. In light of the truth as expressed in the rest of Scripture (and summarized very well in the Nicene Creed and Chalcedonian Confession), ask what are we to understand from these utterances of our Lord Jesus? Relative to Philippians 2:9 you asked, " How can Jesus be given the name that He already has?" (sic) Why can't God have bestowed on Him the name eternally? Do you suppose that the Son graduated into His position at some point in time? "The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding." Athanasius points out that these aspects o God are eternal, rather than temporal. Time is an artifact; a created thing. As God's creatures we are subject to time and, apparently, always will be. God is not. Humans necessarily speak and think in chronological and causal terms. But we cannot fit God into something less than His creation! When dealing with the fundamental nature of our Triune God, only His self-revelation will lead us to the truth. In Him, Doc |
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2 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | ebrain | 181487 | ||
Doc. You wrote "Relative to Philippians 2:9 you asked, " How can Jesus be given the name that He already has?" (sic) Why can't God have bestowed on Him the name eternally? Do you suppose that the Son graduated into His position at some point in time? "The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding." Athanasius points out that these aspects o God are eternal, rather than temporal". I disagree, verse 9 has to be understood within the context of verses 5-9. Verse 9 starts with the word "Therefore" this clearly indicates that God also has highly exalted Him because of what Jesus did as described in some detail in verses 5-8, see bellow. Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, Phl 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, Phl 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. Phl 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Phl 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, You also wrote. "we want to take the whole of Scripture into account, not pick and choose verses to reflect our own ideas. The former is God centered, the latter is self centered". I have never at any time approached Bible reading with preconceived ideas, looking for verses to support them. I find your suggestion that I have, to be both insensitive and insulting. |
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3 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | DocTrinsograce | 181489 | ||
Dear Edwin, So, if I understand you correctly, you are asserting -- based on Philippians 2:5-9 -- that Christ graduated to His exalted position at a particular point in time, prior to which He was not thusly entitled? Do I understand you correctly? If so, let us create a new thread specifically under Philippians 2:9 to discuss that point. This thread has rambled (meandered, wandered, stumbled?) far and wide! :-) In Him, Doc PS Truth is, indeed, insensitive. That is, it does not derive its veracity from, nor is it effected by, emotional sensibilities. It is simply true. It is not, however, inherently insulting. Assuredly, offense arises because of the truth. But that shouldn't be a surprise to us, given how the prophets, Christ, and the apostles were treated for their message! Logic never varies based on how people feel. Logic is simply logic. Note that both of these words -- insensitive and insulting -- are self focused and self centered. They do not help us in our efforts. We derive the truth from the Word of God -- this is a Study Bible Forum -- and then apply that truth to our minds, our hearts, our actions, and our words. In the process, the self dies, and the truth of God is exalted. |
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