Results 1 - 8 of 8
|
|
|||||
Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Ordered by Verse | ||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
1 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | Marcella777 | 180882 | ||
Could Jesus sin? | ||||||
2 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | ebrain | 181383 | ||
Could Jesus sin? I am concluding that this question is in respect of His human nature, rather than His Divine nature. God cannot sin, but humans can.. Jesus did not sin, but I am of the opinion that He could have. I am well aware that this is a controversial subject. but I believe that Scripture indicates that Jesus was able to sin, for example He more than once said "Not My will but Thine be done".. If it were not possible for Jesus the man, to exercise His will independently of what His Father wanted, then what He said was a lie, and one thing that you can be assured of is that Jesus is not a liar. He was tempted in all points as we are, Hbr 4:15 "For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin". The only difference between the real humanity of Jesus and our humanity, is that we were conceived in sin, and He was not, see Psa 51:5 "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me". (NKJ) We come into this world having a very powerful predisposition to sin, whereas Jesus who was conceived by the Holy Spirit and was therefore sinlessly perfect, did not have this desire to do that which is evil, as we do, but was like Adam before the fall. I would like to draw your attention to the Scripture verses bellow, and wish to comment as follows. Mat 26:53 "Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? Mat 26:54 "How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?" What is the point of Jesus saying this, if it was impossible for Him to frustrate His Fathers will. The fact that He didn't do so is not the point, He is saying in these verses that He had the ability to disobey His Father, and that would have been sin. For what it is worth my understanding that Jesus could as a man have sinned, but did not do so , causes me to hold Him in much higher regard than if it were impossible for Him to have done so. In other words it is not a problem for me, but in fact causes me to rejoice, and be exceeding glad that my Saviour is such a wonderful, brave , and courageous person. |
||||||
3 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | kalos | 181388 | ||
Could Jesus have sinned? (Source: www.gotquestions.org/could-Jesus-have-sinned.html) 'If He was not capable of sinning, how could He truly be able to "sympathize with our weaknesses (Heb 4:15)? If He could not sin, what was the point of the temptation?" 'No, Jesus could not have sinned. If He could have sinned He would still be able to sin today because He retains the same essence He did while living on earth. He is the God-Man -- and will forever remain so, having full deity and full humanity so included in one person as to be indivisible. To believe that Jesus could sin is to believe that God could sin. Colossians 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell. Colossians 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. 'Although Jesus is fully human He was not born with the same sinful nature that we are born with. He certainly was tempted in the same way we are, in that temptations were put before Him by Satan, yet He remained sinless because God is incapable of sinning. It is against His very nature (Matthew 4:1; Hebrews 2:18, 4:15; James 1:13). Sin is by definition a trespass of the Law. God created the Law and the Law is by nature what God would or would not do. Therefore, sin is anything that God would not do by his very nature. 'To be tempted is not in and of itself sinful. A person could tempt you with something you have no desire to do, such as to smoke crack or participate in a homosexual act. You probably have no desire whatsoever to take part in these actions, but you were still tempted because someone placed the possibility before you. There are at least two definitions for tempted: '1) Tempted - To have a sinful proposition suggested to you by someone or something outside yourself or by your own sin nature. '2) Tempted - To consider actually participating in a sinful act and the possible pleasures and consequences of such act to such a degree that the act is already taking place in your mind. 'The first definition does not describe a sinful act/thought, the second does. When you dwell upon a sinful act and consider how you might be able to bring it to pass you have crossed the line of sin. Jesus was tempted in the fashion of definition 1, except that He was never tempted by a sin nature because it did not exist within Him. Satan proposed certain sinful acts to Jesus but He had no inner desire to participate in the sin. Hence He was tempted like we are but remained sinless. 'Jesus knows what it is like to be tempted but He does not know what it is like to sin. This does not prevent Him from assisting us. We are tempted with sins that are common to man (1 Corinthians 10:13). These sins generally can be boiled down to three different types: the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life (1 John 2:16). Examine the temptation and sin of Eve as well as the temptation of Jesus and you will find that the temptations for each came from these three categories. Jesus was tempted in every way and in every area that we are, but remained perfectly holy. Although our corrupt natures will have the inner desire to participate in some sins we have the ability to "just say no" to sin because we are no longer slaves to sin but rather slaves of God (Romans 6 especially verses 2 and 16-22).' ____________________ www.gotquestions.org/could-Jesus-have-sinned.html [Note: If anyone reading this has neither the ability to understand nor the faith to believe that Jesus could not have sinned, then I feel sorry for you and will pray for you. "To believe that Jesus could sin is to believe that God could sin." --Kalos] |
||||||
4 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | ebrain | 181407 | ||
Hi Kalos. Thank you for your post With the exception of the second paragraph, I find myself in agreement with the extract you gave from www.gotquestions.org/could-Jesus-have-sinned.html, If the second paragraph is referring to the Deity only, and not the humanity of Jesus, then I agree with this also, but I am not happy with, "having full deity and full humanity so included in one person as to be indivisible". The problem as I see it is all too common with a lot of Christians, that is an inability to reconcile the Deity of our Lord Jesus, with His true humanity. Let me ask you a number of questions, but before I do so let me state that I have no problem with the fact that Jesus is God, as anyone will know who has read what I have had to say on that subject on this Forum, and as the many verses of Scripture I have quoted indicate. What follows might seem as if I am playing the Devil's Advocate. This is not in fact the case, but the verses I shall refer to could be used by his servants to undermine a believers faith. Unfortunately this is helped along by those Preachers who will say "Although we are considering the humanity of Jesus, let it be clearly understood that at no time was He any less than God". This teaching plays straight into the hands of the Evil one, who will try to use it to his advantage. Psalm 121:4 says "Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep". Jesus went to sleep in the back of a boat. Jesus did not know the time of His second coming, only the Father knows that. Jesus is refereed to as "My Servant" at Isaiah 52:13, which is where one should start to read Isaiah Ch 53. Tell me how can the servant of God, also at the same time be God? Psalm 22:1. Jesus cried out "My God My God", Tell me how it is possible that He who is God could possibly address Himself as My God? only someone who is not God could say this. Hebrews 2:9. "Made lower than the angels". Hebrews 10:7. "To do your will O God". 1 Corinthians 15:28. "Then the Son himself will also be subjected to him.....God". John 5:30. Please tell me why it is that God has to say "I can of my self do nothing". Why God has to say "As I hear I judge". who does He take advice from? Why is it that the only way in which God knows that His judgment is righteous, is because He dose not seek His own will? Why are we told at Acts 2:22, "God did through him", if it was Jesus who performed the Miracles? Philippines 2:9. How can you give someone something they already have? Note see Isaiah 45:22-23, for the application of this name. Rest assured that I have no problem with the verses I have quoted above, they do not prevent me from rejoicing in the fact that Jesus is God. Referring now to Coll 2:9. This is a verse that I especially love, and have used many times to indicate that the entire Godhead, that is all three persons suffered and died on the cross, and not just only the man Jesus. Now Kalos let make a statement with which I know you will be in full agreement. "The will of Jesus was at all times to do the will of His Father", please explain what He ment when He said "not my will", as in the verse bellow. Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Everyblessing. Edwin. |
||||||
5 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | kalos | 181409 | ||
Edwin, Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your interest in the subject. The verses you quoted that "could be used by his (the devil's) servants to undermine a believers faith" in fact are used by the Jehovah's Witnesses (JW) when they attack the deity of Christ. The questions that accompany the verses cited have pretty much been addressed on this forum in the past. You'll find the answers by doing a search for Jehovah's Witnesses or Watchtower. Please understand I am in no way implying or suggesting that you follow or agree with JW doctrine. I merely point out that the verses quoted and the arguments made are virtually identical to JW teaching. Moreover, the quickest way to get answers would be to do a search for what has already (sometimes repeatedly) been posted on this forum. Grace to you, John |
||||||
6 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | ebrain | 181410 | ||
Hi John. Thank you for your post. I think you will find that the material bellow will put the the whole matter into perspective, as these verses clearly indicate the Deity of out Lord Jesus Christ. The question should be, are you John, and others able to reconcile these apperantly opposing views of of the second person of the Trinity. For me it presents no problem, but before I let you have my thoughts, I want to see what others have to say. Subject: Jesus is God. Jesus is God, but He is also man at the same time. Have a look at Isaiah Ch 48 vs 12-16, but don't read the whole of v 16, just yet, read only, "Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there" (ESV). Now ask yourself, Who is speaking?, the answer can only be, the Lord our GOD, now read the rest of v 16, "And now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his Spirit." it is clear then that the one speaking in the first part of this verse must be our Lord Jesus, and none other. Read Matthew Ch 28 v 19, "in the name" not "names", one name, three persons. Now try Colossians Ch 2 v 9, "For in him the whole fullness of Deity dwells bodily" (ESV). That is to say, all there is of the Father, all there is of the Son, and all there is of the Holy Spirit dwelling inside the body of the Lord Jesus Christ. As I have said before, and will no doubt say again, don't try to understand it, just believe it, God has given you the faith to believe, so use it. The human mind is totally incapable of comprehending the Trinity, or the Deity of Jesus, so don't try. Remember "Without faith, it is impossible to please God". Better rendered as "Without exercising faith". All Scripture verses quoted are from the English Standard Version, unless otherwise stated. At John Ch 14 v 9, Jesus said "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. John Ch 1 v 18 , reads "No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known". or "the only one, who is God"; some manuscripts "the only Son". Note, the Translator's preference is all ways shown in the main text, with possible alternative renderings relegated to footnotes as above. Now have a look at John Ch 8, vs 24, 28, and 58. Here Jesus identifies Himself three times as "I AM", not "I am he" as some Bible's put it, "he" does not appear in the original Greek. the two words are "EGO IME" and are taken from the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the OT made about 300 BC. These two words are taken from Exodus Ch 3 v 14, where God told Moses, "Say this to the people of Israel. I AM has sent me to you"... This is the most Sacred, and Holy name/description of the Lord our God it means "I HAVE BEEN WHAT I HAVE BEEN,I AM THAT/WHAT I AM, and I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE". This Title was also understood by the Jews to mean "The perpetually self revealing all existent one". It was considered so sacred by the Jews, that they were forbidden to pronounce it, when reading Scripture publicly. There was no doubt in the minds of those who heard Jesus, that He was claiming to be God. John 10:17-18. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Note. Only God can raise Himself back from the dead. Who did Isaiah really see? Isa 6:1 IN the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Isa 6:2 Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. Isa 6:3 And one cried to another and said: "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts; The whole earth is full of His glory!" Isa 6:4 And the posts of the door were shaken by the voice of him who cried out, and the house was filled with smoke. Isa 6:5 So I said: "Woe is me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, The LORD of hosts." John referring to this passage said. To be continued. |
||||||
7 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | ebrain | 181411 | ||
John referring to this passage said. Jhn 12:37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, Jhn 12:38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: "Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?"* Jhn 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again: Jhn 12:40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them."* Jhn 12:41 These things Isaiah said when* he saw His glory and spoke of Him So then just who did Isaiah see? Jhn 5:21 "For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. Jhn 5:22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, Jhn 5:23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. The Lord our God does not have a name in the sense that we have names, in order to identify/distinguish ourselves from one another. There is only one God, and for this reason no need for Him to have a name, as there is no other god with whom He might be confused. What is given in Scripture is a number of different descriptions of, His Nature, His ability, His capacity, etc, etc, What type/sort of Person He is. At Gen Ch 3 v 13. Moses said If they ask me "What is His name" what shall I say to them? The reply he received was not a name but a description. "I AM" which can also be rendered as "The perpetually self revealing all existent one". One more example, take the description EL SHADDAI, God Almighty, or "God All Sufficient", which is found 48 times in the OT. This is a compound title, made up of ELOHIM meaning the strong one who gives strength/nourishment, and the Hebrew word Shad which refers to the Female Breast. What the Lord is saying here is "I love you with the very special tender loving care that a nursing mother feels for the infant that she is breast feeding". For further information see http://www.ldolphin.org/names.html The Lord bless you all. pabrain. Below is one example of the use of EL SHADDAI. Gen 17:1 WHEN Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. Gen 17:2 "And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly." Gen 17:3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: Gen 17:4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. Gen 17:5 "No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. Gen 17:6 "I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. In verse 1 the Lord reveals Himself as "Almighty God", this is the English translation of EL SHADDAI. Isn't it wonderful, that when God tells Abraham who had not fathered any children, that he will be the father of many, that The Lord uses His title which is so closely related to nursing infants. Do we really have any idea just how incredible the Lord our God is? there are just no words to adequately describe Him. May the Lord bless you abundantly, and keep you safe. Edwin. |
||||||
8 | Could Jesus sin? | Col 2:9 | kalos | 181415 | ||
"...Yahweh is His name." Ex 15:3" Edwin: You write: 'The Lord our God does not have a name in the sense that we have names, in order to identify/distinguish ourselves from one another. There is only one God, and for this reason no need for Him to have a name, as there is no other god with whom He might be confused...Moses said If they ask me "What is His name" what shall I say to them? The reply he received was not a name...' But God says: "...Yahweh is His name." Ex 15:3b Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) [All of the following Scripture quotations are from the Holman Christian Standard Bible.] Ex 3:15 God also said to Moses, "Say this to the Israelites: Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever; this is how I am to be remembered in every generation." Ex 15:3 The Lord is a warrior; Yahweh is His name. Ex 33:19 He said, "I will cause all My goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim the name Yahweh before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." Ex 34:5 The Lord came down in a cloud, stood with him there, and proclaimed [His] name Yahweh. De 28:58 "If you are not careful to obey all the words of this law, which are written in this scroll, by fearing this glorious and awesome name -- Yahweh, your God --" 1Ki 18:24 Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of Yahweh. The God who answers with fire, He is God. All the people answered, "That [sounds] good." 1Ki 18:32 and he built an altar with the stones in the name of Yahweh. Then he made a trench around the altar large enough to hold about four gallons. 2Ki 5:11 But Naaman got angry and left, saying, "I was telling myself: He will surely come out, stand and call on the name of Yahweh his God, and will wave his hand over the spot and cure the skin disease." Grace to you, John |
||||||