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1 | Is God hand so short that he cannot lead | Col 2:21 | EdB | 89176 | ||
Tim Be fair, I haven't glorified any denomination. You justified your use of 'I' and 'me' in your testimony saying Paul did it, so I was asking you if you were placing yourself at Paul's level. Sorry! Yes I see Jesus in you testimony, I also see you telling me how bad you were. We are all sinners! We have all fallen short, none of us are remotely worthy of what God gave us by grace. Any testimony that has more than one 'I' and one 'me' I discard as bragging. I was chief among sinners and Jesus died for me, praise God. There is no sin Jesus' blood will not forgive if we genuinely ask. Why do we need to detail them. Who gets the glory, God or Satan? I have a good friend that has a very successful prison ministry. He stands before the prisioners and declares there is nothing they have done that he hadn't but Jesus set him free. He can detail every sin, crime and unrighteous deed he has ever done but he never has. God forgot them so has he. I see a resentment (approaching an hatred) for denominations in you, that is not normal. I suspect you were hurt by something you feel is related to denominations and I was trying to see if you wanted to talk about it. Appparently not, you would rather call everyone that attends a denominational church deceived, thus winning friends and influencing people. I tried to show you in proverbs a sweet answer is received the sour is rejected. I know your next come back will be look at the prophets they didn't mince any words, your right. However many things have changed since then, not the least of which is the fact, they were talking for God. You however while you may have good intentions are merely striking out at what has hurt you in the past. Denominations in themselves are not bad, what is bad is what people through a lack of Bible knowledge has been allowed to come into the church. The fault falls at the feet of everyone that has a Bible and has not read it from cover to cover at least once a year. Proverbs 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people are unrestrained, But happy is he who keeps the law. This verse has beeen abused by more Bible teachers than any other. Many use this to be the dictator of the church by claiming God has given them the vision for the church. What this passage really means is without God's word (revelation) the people perish. As long as people refuse to read the Bible for themselves they will perish. EdB |
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2 | Is God hand so short that he cannot lead | Col 2:21 | tj57h@cs.com | 89180 | ||
Let’s face it we live in an imperfect world. We attend Church and much of what is said is error, which does not necessarily mean we agree with it. We will all be accountable for what we did with Christ at the Second Coming. As for your comment: Denominations in themselves are not bad. 1Cor 1: 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? Denominations are divisions and they have excepted creeds, most which are not totally Biblical, that makes them Sin. Do I go to a Church that calls its self a name? Yes. We do not hold ourselves, and I do not hold my self as divided. Most who are in denominations do. I lift up Jesus Christ and all those borne of him are my brothers. Any other division is SIN. Does that mean I heap condemnation on you for attending your denomination? NO. You have to attend somewhere, and to find that assembly that truly preaches the truth that there is one body and one Lord, this is difficult to find. But to not recognize Division as Sin as the scripture in 1 Cor. Shows, is ignorance of the scripture. You need to see it for what it is. John Wesley if you have ever read about him, walked in the Spirit with a mighty testimony! When he died 3 denominations developed Wesleyn, Nazarene, and Methodist. If he only knew what people did with his life testimony. I have been in attendance of all three of these denominations and what they teach is a far cry from what John Wesley believed and walked in, I know I studied his life. I have a theory, when mighty men of God die, people go about teaching and preaching his revelations and what he did, instead of walking in the Spirit for them selves. This I believe is the greatest downfall of denominations, People stop hearing from God themselves and put God in a box. Why do you believe every Church in America is praying for revival and it is not being experienced? It is because of the doctrines and commandments of men that have God in a box and keep his Church divided. The truth is division is sin and to a certain degree we ALL are a part of it. We need to stand up for Christ not divisions/denominations. It is the truth, not hurt. Love, Tim |
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3 | Is God hand so short that he cannot lead | Col 2:21 | EdB | 89187 | ||
Tim I'm beginning to get clues here. You attend a "non denominational" church has is really a denomination in itself. One of it's doctrines is that any denomination is bad. I will guess now that you attend a WOF church. Your right division is bad, I believe God desired the church to be one but let us face facts since the Reformation that hasn't happened. Nor is likely to happen again. As long as you can read the Bible and I can read the Bible and get two different takes on the same passage and there is no one person assigned to be the tie breaker. Remember the thing that kept the church one for 1500 years was the Pope was the tie breaker. However an old adage came into play "power corrupts absolute power absolutely corrupts." While the Pope was the tie breaker and there were no denominations, there were other problems as you know. There are passages in the Bible I honestly believe mean "thus and such" and I can find an equally honest person that reads the same passage to mean something different. Both of us claim to be lead by the Holy Sprit both can supply scripture to support our beliefs. Both decide to go different ways that is how denominations start. What is the solution? Scripture? We both read it differently. Holy Spirit? We both claim to be lead by the Spirit. It is just like you supporting WOF. I believe we are both Spiritly lead, I know I read the Bible I believe you do, yet I see WOF as the most destructive heresy to enter the modern church and you see it as okay. As for revival do you believe we are in the ‘last days’? If so don’t look for revival look for a great falling away. The word says there is going to be a great falling away not a great revival. The revival is for the children of Israel and will happen during the Tribulation. Be blessed my friend I still would like to know how you got so against denominations. EdB |
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4 | Is God hand so short that he cannot lead | Col 2:21 | tj57h@cs.com | 89208 | ||
To answer your question: DIVISION IS SIN sticking up for it is SIN. YOU keep trying do divide me off, it appears so you can pigeon hole me into your understanding of religion. For your information I am not in a Word Faith Church; however I have studied some of their spiritual concepts, and do not agree with everything they say, but I do not disagree with every thing they say either. I stand before God in my own imperfect understanding of him, not hiding behind mans doctrines or traditions. I can live with the fact that he is going to correct me if I am wrong and lead me into and complete what he has begun in my life. Sir let me give you what the WORD says, you said: yet I see WOF as the most destructive heresy to enter the modern church and you see it as okay. Law and works based traditional religion IS the worst destruction to the modern Church: Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Did Paul preach works based religion, NO! Saved and made righteous by faith. Romans 4, 6 Eph. Gal. Gal. 2: 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal. 3: 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Col 2: 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power Continued net note: |
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5 | Is God hand so short that he cannot lead | Col 2:21 | tj57h@cs.com | 89209 | ||
Continued: You began as believers by, assuming you are born again: Romans 10: 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Col 2: 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Hear, believe in your heart, and you are saved and righteous, continue hearing believing and obeying by the Spirit. I am unimpressed with human or intellectual understanding of the word of God and you are talking to one who earns their living by being intellectual and I count it dung as Paul did. 1 Cor. 1: 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. I will admit their are those who: require a sign, some miracle, and seek after wisdom, and I am sorry for those I offend, but many on this forum are seeking wisdom an I have been there! It is only when we come to the point of Total submission, and say I wan to believe what YOU want me to believe we can come to were he wants us. Most will not lay their doctrines aside and do this and I believe one of the reasons is because many in leadership, if they were to receive greater enlightenment would have to sever their financial income to move on with God. Which leads me to the revelation that Paul preaches, that he did not receive financial income from anyone he was preaching too because he did not want the Gospel tainted by what he called filthy lucre. And I believe we have this in the Church today. Yes, an Oxen is worthy of its hire and a Pastor can receive the fruits of his labor by receiving income from preaching, but the higher calling is to preach without financial support from those directly hearing you preach. He did receive income to take to another assembly to bless them as a courier, and he did receive support to go to another assembly to preach the truth, BUT HE NEVER RECEIVED INCOME FROM THOSE HE DIRECTALLY PREACHED TO. Were are those that are called to this financial revelation? I am not boasting, but I see it and am called to it. In love and Christ, Tim H. |
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6 | Is God hand so short that he cannot lead | Col 2:21 | EdB | 89244 | ||
Tim Notice also this thread has been restricted. Tim chill out. I agree works based theology is bad but frankly little of it is still taught in the church today. Today we allow homsexuality, divorce, adultery and even child molestation in the church. In the 50's through the early 70's it was in vogue but by the 70's through early 90's the move has gone to health wealth and prosperity. Josh McDowell reports that today's youth do not believe in absolute truths. It is a "if it feels good and hurts no one do it" mentality out there. With the rise of humanism works base could be seen in that everyone could be god it they desired but I think that is a long stretch from what your calling works based. When paul said if anyone comes to you teaching a theology I did not teach let them be accursed he was talking about WOF as much as works based. Tim many men preach without getting paid for it. That is what surprized me about your seeming support of WOF their preachers are the highest paid of any. In Tampa there was a WOF preacher making better than 210 thousand a year while few if anyone in his church made over 40,000. He owns a half million dollar horse farm has a vacation house and new cars while his people struggled to pay the rent. He bought it all on their money. It is now coming out in the divorce between him and his wife. She wants half the church for her sustained income. Tim your not saying anything new many others are saying the same thing your just saying it offensively and I believe it because you have some hurts. Do you want to talk about them? EdB |
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7 | Is God hand so short that he cannot lead | Col 2:21 | tj57h@cs.com | 89257 | ||
My comments have been Bible based. I am sorry if this personally offends you. I have a problem with labeling Graceful and pigeon holing her. I have read nothing she has said that has not been biblical. I resist anyone trying to do the same to me, it is wrong. Gentlemen if we do not get past our division and on to Christ how will we live up to the challenge we have been called to? We are to be one and as of today 7/13/03 I will be lifting Christ up and will make every attempt to try to leave denominationalism behind, I ask EdB if you would please do the same! I will continue to express the word of God and hope to be less offensive to you. I would appreciate everyone letting Graceful express Christ and the light she has according to the word. I agree, lets try to get along, Love, In Christ, Tim H. P. S. The money thing, further proof that I am not slanted to a particular creed, only the Word as I know it. |
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