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1 | In Whom, in whom, or in Him? | Col 1:14 | Ray | 137300 | ||
I was asked what I thought about capitalizing different versions of the pronoun "who". For instance in comparing Col 1:14 above with the NASB and the Amplified; we have both "in whom" and "in Whom". My answer would be that even though we know the One of whom the verse speaks, I would not count the pronoun "whom" as speaking of the Person Himself. In other words, the verse could just as well be translated, "in Him we have redemption"; in which case I would certainly capitalize the pronoun. The choice of "who" or "He" is up to the translator. I would influence or encourage a translator toward as much consistency as possible. The same Greek letters are used in Colossians 1:14 and Ephesians 1:7 but I will show the actual printed translations here. Colossians 1:14, NKJ, "in whom we have redemption..." Colossians 1:14, NASB, "in whom we have redemption..." Ephesians 1:7, NKJ, "In Him we have redemption..." Ephesians 1:7, NASB, "In Him [marginal note, Lit. whom] we have redemption..." I hope that this will give us a starting point for discussion. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | In Whom, in whom, or in Him? | Col 1:14 | DocTrinsograce | 137355 | ||
Perhaps I have not made a sufficiently exhaustive search, but I do not find the Greek word (Strong's G3739) translated as "He" anywhere in the KJV. In Colossians 1:13-15 this word is used 3 times being translated as "who," "whom", and "who" respectively. In the Analytical-Literal Translation of the New Testament these words are translated in the same way. In addition, the Latin Vulgate uses "qui," "quo," and "qui." Since the antecedent of this word can only indicate Diety, and if you are capitalizing pronouns of Diety, then it would only seem to follow that the various words translated from this Greek pronoun would be capitalized. My very humble opinion, only. | ||||||
3 | In Whom, in whom, or in Him? | Col 1:14 | Ray | 137365 | ||
Hi Doc Trinsograce, I appreciate your question to me that led me to start this thread. Your time and work is also appreciated. Your search was done in the KJV, and you wrote that you did "not find the Greek word (Strong's G3739) translated as "He" anywhere in the KJV." Of course you realize that a capitalized "He" will not be found in the KJV. And at this stage, I would not see the translation team having a new copyright with every "who" and "whom" capitalized, let alone the "he" and "him" occurances in their KJV. 1) When we look at other versions we see the "In whom" #3739 with "In Him" as the translation. Ephesians 1:7, NKJ, before us being an example. 2) I would encourage you to read my post to Tim in this thread and tell me if that made any sense to you. The idea of oneness is reflected in my mind when looking at the #3739 of Colossians 2:3, "in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." I believe that these things have been spoken of and discussed before as evidenced by the variant readings in manuscripts of Colossians 2:2. 3) I have to put my head on a pillow now for I have been struggling with a low grade fever for the past week. I am in a new series of chemo therapy. You might pray for me and I for you, as you have alluded to being busy in school studies. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | In Whom, in whom, or in Him? | Col 1:14 | DocTrinsograce | 137367 | ||
Hi, Ray... I meant that #3739 was never translated as the third person masculine pronoun "him" -- regardless of whether it was associated with Diety or not. --Doc PS Will do on the prayers! Will also appreciate the reciprocation! |
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