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1 | Am I saved until Christ returns? | Phil 1:6 | Reformer Joe | 82786 | ||
"When you recieve the Holy Ghost people wont be able to see it but they will hear it when you speak with other tounges. Many people choose to say it isn't essential ecspecially those who haven't experienced it." Some people like Paul said it is not essential (1 Corinthians 12:30). "They want to say it's not necessary to speak in tounges to receive the Holy Ghost. Why? because they don't want to admit they may be wrong and may not have that relationship they proclaim." Some want to say it's necessary to speak in tounges to receive the Holy Ghost. Why? because they trust in easily faked experiences and have some need of sensationalism in addition to (or in place of) the truth of God's words, and they don't want to admit they may be wrong and may not have that attention-getting gift they claim to have. "Read on it talks about some of the characteristics of a believer. NOTE it says these signs SHALL follow them that BELIEVE.... In my name they shall cast out demons; they shall speak with new tounges;..." Why did you stop there? You know that you aren't a true, Holy Ghost Christian unless you have been bitten by a snake and walked away unharmed and have imbibed a good dose of poison. Please don't take just half the Scripture. If casting out demons and speaking in tongues are necessary evidences of having received the Spirit, so is the rest of it. So go buy your arsenic and, Bottoms up! --Joe! |
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2 | Am I saved until Christ returns? | Phil 1:6 | 2 Ti 2:15 | 82790 | ||
1st... 1 Co. 12:30 The passage states... do all speak with tongues concerning the Gift of the Spirit. I would ask you does every Christian have the gift of Faith because they believe on Jesus. The bible says without faith in him we cannot be saved, so where is the line drawn? Just becuase God would choose tounges as the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost does that not mean there couldn't be a gift of the spirit "tounges?" The gifts were for the church and to bless the body whereas the Holy Ghost is for the individual. How do you explain Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. The bible says the Spirit makes intercession for us with Groanings which cannot be uttered? 1Cr 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? Here it shows tongues doesn't do any good for the other person. If it wasn't the evidence 1Cr 12:19 And if they were all one member, where [were] the body? Why would God have empowered all the people in the upper room with the same "gift of the Spirit?" What would God need 120 people everyone in the place to be used in the same gift what was the purpose and what did it accomplish at that moment, but as a sign when they went outside Peter stood up and said this is the Holy Ghost which the prophet Joel prophesied about.... 1Cr 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? So why would God have used the "gift of Tongues" in Acts 2 as a sign for the people? When here it states they shouldn't all do it becuase it would confuse the people. How do you explain Mk 16:16-19 then? He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. I would propose that a true believer has the ability whenever he comes in contact with a demon possessed individual to cast it out 2) that we should all speak with tongues ((((my question is directly towards 2, how do you explain this)))) 3) in the event you are physically harmed (which we know we arent to tempt the Lord our God) God will protect his true believers or if we were to accidently drink something harmful God would protect us. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN: 1Cr 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Here Paul states he speaks with tongues MORE THAN YE ALL... stating they also speak with tongues but he does it frequently. Here it appears the whole church in Corinth which was in fact a grounded church spoke with tongues. 1 Co. 14:29 says "forbid not to speak with tongues." FINALLY I WOULD END WITH THIS: Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, here it states they were astonished when they saw them receive the Holy Ghost for "FOR THEY HEARD THEM SPEAK WITH TONGUES" there is no immediant visual evidence one receives the Holy Ghost but as Jn. 3:8 states it's like the wind you can hear it I don't mean to be argumentative. I have debated it with myself for sometime and after experiencing it for myself there is no way I will be convinced otherwise. I have been on both side of the tracks with this issue.. I thought people were finatics that were all about speaking it tongues but after experiencing it for myself I understand it's just excitement about meeting Jesus. Sincerely God bless you my Brother Casey |
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3 | Am I saved until Christ returns? | Phil 1:6 | Reformer Joe | 82796 | ||
'1st... 1 Co. 12:30 The passage states... do all speak with tongues concerning the Gift of the Spirit. I would ask you does every Christian have the gift of Faith because they believe on Jesus. The bible says without faith in him we cannot be saved, so where is the line drawn? Just becuase God would choose tounges as the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost does that not mean there couldn't be a gift of the spirit "tounges?"' So are you suggesting, according to your perspective, that there are many who receive the Holy Ghost (manifested by speaking in tongues) and then never speak in tongues again? Paul asks the question, "Do all speak in tongues?" in such a way that the implied answer is "no." "The gifts were for the church and to bless the body whereas the Holy Ghost is for the individual." Where do you get the idea that the Holy Spirit is just "for the individual"? The very fact that they are spiritual gifts suggest that they come from the Spirit. You do realize that the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost are One and the same, right? "How do you explain Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Easy: the Holy Spirit prays for us. If these groanings cannot be uttered, why do you consider the syllables you are UTTERING to be these "groanings"? "Why would God have empowered all the people in the upper room with the same "gift of the Spirit?" What would God need 120 people everyone in the place to be used in the same gift what was the purpose and what did it accomplish at that moment, but as a sign when they went outside Peter stood up and said this is the Holy Ghost which the prophet Joel prophesied about...." And those 120 were speaking known human languages. That is why the Jewish hearers, before conversion, could understand each in HIS OWN LANGUAGE. What you are passing off as a sure sign of receiving the Spirit is not the same thing as was manifested at Pentecost. Regarding Mark 16, you wrote: "I would propose that a true believer has the ability whenever he comes in contact with a demon possessed individual to cast it out 2) that we should all speak with tongues ((((my question is directly towards 2, how do you explain this)))) 3) in the event you are physically harmed (which we know we arent to tempt the Lord our God) God will protect his true believers or if we were to accidently drink something harmful God would protect us. " How would snake handling be tempting God? It seems that it would be a wonderful opportunity to demonstrate to the unbelieving world the wonderful promises of God for his people. Maybe the "don't tempt God" line is used so much for those last two because it is a lot harder to counterfeit recovering from a cobra bite or from a 12-ounce can of Drano. No one wants to seem to fear tempting God by "speaking in tongues." By the way, nothing in the verse says that ALL will speak in tongues, anyway, unless we conclude that ALL must do the rest. Spirit-filled believers die of snake bites. Spirit-filled believers die from accidental overdoses. It happens, so your theology must accomodate that. How do I explain Mark 16? It doesn't appear in the earliest manuscripts and breaks the flow of the narrative completely, so I believe (as many respected scholars do) that the last part of Mark 16 is a later addition. "1Cr 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Here Paul states he speaks with tongues MORE THAN YE ALL... stating they also speak with tongues but he does it frequently. Here it appears the whole church in Corinth which was in fact a grounded church spoke with tongues." The Corinthian church was a grounded one?!? You really need to study those two epistles a little more. The fact is that Paul clearly indicates that some had the ability to speak in tongues and some did not. "here it states they were astonished when they saw them receive the Holy Ghost for "FOR THEY HEARD THEM SPEAK WITH TONGUES" there is no immediant visual evidence one receives the Holy Ghost but as Jn. 3:8 states it's like the wind you can hear it" John 3 has nothing to do with tongues. That is quite a reach. Nothing about hearing anything. Very bad exegesis. --Joe! |
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