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1 | Automatic Holy Spirit? | Eph 1:13 | charis | 27259 | ||
Dear Saints and Fellow Forumers, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Many use this Scripture to prove that we are indwelt (filled) with the Holy Spirit the moment we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Yet, I also hear many saying that if a person 'backslides,' it is really that he was never really saved to begin with. How can we reconcile these two common beliefs? Is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit truly 'automatic,' synonymous with salvation? What of Luke 11:13 NASB, "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?" ? How can we on earth know that a person is saved? I know that we can 'look at the fruit' of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22,23), but what of those that HAVE manifest this fruit, yet through depression or temptation yielded to sin and returned to their former ways? Were they 'never saved?' (To be fair, I find it hard to believe that a person can go through multiple saved-unsaved-saved...states.) Blessings, one and all, this blessed season! In Christ Jesus, charis |
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2 | Automatic Holy Spirit? | Eph 1:13 | kalos | 27344 | ||
NASB Romans 8:9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. AMPLIFIED Romans 8:9 But you are not living the life of the flesh, you are living the life of the Spirit, if the [Holy] Spirit of God [really] dwells within you [directs and controls you]. But if anyone does not possess the [Holy] Spirit of Christ, he is none of His [he does not belong to Christ, is not truly a child of God]. [Rom. 8:14.] |
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3 | Automatic Holy Spirit? | Eph 1:13 | charis | 27350 | ||
My friend kalos, Greetings and love to you in the name of Jesus! I know! I know! :-) If we were to only have this one Scripture to describe the relationship between the indwelling or baptism of the Holy Spirit and our salvation (or justification), it would be cut and dry! And there are several others, too! "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure." John 3:34 NASB, for instance. But there are many, many Scriptures that link the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the ongoing work of sanctification, with our walk in Christ. I see so many that have gone before God on their knees with tears and confession, yet their subsequent walk is anything but Spirit-led. I cannot glibly 'write them off' as not-yet-really-saved. Many of these, do come to a place of 'conversion,' at which time the fruit of the Spirit begins to manifest itself. Then I have seen those that bear much evidence of salvation, yet fall away due to one testing or another. I guess I am saying, my good friend, that though I DO see the Scripture pointing to regeneration by the Holy Spirit upon justification, I see little temporal evidence to support it. And, as a minister of the Gospel, I cannot lightly deny salvation to those that are not presently showing forth the fruit of the Spirit. Do I have an all-encompassing 'conclusion?' No, I don't. I will trust that the Spirit is upon all who confess Christ, but that many are not walking in accord with He who is with them. I also (paradoxically?) believe that all believers should pursue an 'immersion' into the things of the Holy Spirit. To me, the alternative is to believe in 'one or the other' to the exclusion of many Biblical tenets. Thank you for being the first to clearly and Biblically answer the original question! :-) Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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