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1 | Automatic Holy Spirit? | Eph 1:13 | charis | 27331 | ||
Dear Nolan, Greetings in the name of Jesus! My friend, you are right! As 'karlgraff' noted, the Bible is for OUR assurance, not for measuring the salvation of others. I share this assurance, this holy confession with you. :-) I know that some will say, "Hymns are not the Bible," but I would share this hymn with you and our forum fellowship. When Rev. A.H.Ackley had his faith in Christ sneered at by an atheist, he was unable to answer. Defeated and depressed, he went home and wrote on the back of an envelope: I serve a risen Saviour, He's in the world today; I know that He is living, whatever men may say, I see His hand of mercy, I hear His voice of cheer; And just the time I need Him, He's always near. In all the world around me I see His loving care, And tho' my heart grows weary I never will despair; I know that He is leading thro' all the stormy blast. The day of His appearing will come at last. Rejoice, rejoice, O Christian, lift up your voice and sing. Eternal hallelujahs to Jesus Christ the King! The hope of all who seek Him, the help of all who find. None other is so loving, so good and kind. (chorus) He lives. He lives. Christ Jesus lives today! He walks with me and talks with me along life' s narrow way. He lives, He lives, Salvation to impart! You ask me how I know He lives? He lives within my heart. Nolan, my fellow saint, I would put this song of faith, this confession of Christ, right up there with a thousand pages of 'Bible commentary!' (Unfortunately, this still does not answer my question about the Bible clearly making the indwelling or baptism of the Holy Spirit synonymous and synchronous with salvation or justification. :-)) Blessings to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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2 | Automatic Holy Spirit? | Eph 1:13 | Makarios | 27387 | ||
Greetings charis! Thank you for reciting that hymn! That was exactly what I was thinking when I wrote my former post! :-) As for your original question, I would cite Acts chapter 2, which is heralded by the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.. Verse 37 states that they were "pierced to the heart".. Now just what did "pierced to the heart" mean? I believe that this reflects a regret over their former rejection of Jesus and it reflects a new belief in Jesus! In other words, when they were "pierced to the heart", the people were "pierced" by the presence of the Holy Spirit.. And what other "agent" or 'force' could cause the people to be "pierced to the heart" other than the Holy Spirit? Of course, Peter did preach a good sermon that day.. :-) But it was the power and influence of the Holy Spirit behind that sermon that had such a great effect on the people! And when those people where truly brought to repentence because of the presence of the Holy Spirit, then they were saved! And they willingly repented of all their sins, and then underwent water baptism, (v. 41) after they had received this awesome presence of the Holy Spirit, convicting them of their sins and leading them into repentence and salvation. When the Holy Spirit came, He was able to lead others to salvation through power and conviction! And by seeing the Holy Spirit work all throughout the book of Acts and the NT, we can see that the Holy Spirit is the "persuader" that God uses to draw men to Himself, by "piercing" people to the heart through another Christian, a sermon that is preached, a Bible tract, etc, etc, and "breaking" people, making them willing to come to repentance by His presence, and thus planting a seed in an unsaved person forever that they now make the choice to be truly saved and follow Him! So, in short, I would use Acts 2 and the coming of the Holy Spirit as "evidence" of the Bible making it clear that the indwelling or baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs at salvation. Blessings to you, Nolan |
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3 | Automatic Holy Spirit? | Eph 1:13 | Hank | 27389 | ||
Nolan, you say that "the indwelling or baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs at (the time of) salvation." That is also my position, so you must be right :-) --Hank | ||||||
4 | Automatic Holy Spirit? | Eph 1:13 | Makarios | 27400 | ||
Thank you again, my friend! We must have "great minds" or something like that... :-) (joking, of course..) - Nolan! | ||||||