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1 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22152 | ||
Prayon, Me the same as you mention, I am also a tithe giver, we observe that. Even my parents I've ask them to give tithe correctly because It was taught to us of our pastor. They always use Mal 3:10 Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. I am not saying that this verse is wrong it is truly right. But of course we have to consider time and event when we are reading the scriptures. As all we know it was address to the decendants of Jacob if you read Mal. 3:6 Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. But when Jesus Christ crusified we free from all this things. Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. As you mentioned you always been taught to give 10 percent of your earnings, but try those points that I mentioned to you. Maybe you can ask those to your pastors, then if you got a valid answer from him please share it to me. I am open to my believed prayon, if someone can explain to me that tithe is really the requirement so we can go to heaven I will accept that teaching again. Thank you, Johnny |
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2 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22178 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in the name of Jesus! I see you have been defending the position that the tithe is not required in the New Testament. But at the end of this post you are talking as if some were saying that tithing was required for salvation. I don't think anyone was implying this at all! But giving to God by supporting His church is definitely implied in the New Testament, and the best 'formula' I have ever heard that seems to be pleasing to the Lord is a tithe AND offering system. Of course this is not a requirement for salvation. In fact the worst 'curse' I have ever heard for the non-giver is to 'lose your blessing.' In Christ Jesus, charis |
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3 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22254 | ||
Yes Charis, if somebody can show that it was taught by Jesus Christ I am ready to embrace that teaching again. Do you? I think it is not right to say that if you are not willing to give tithes you not a giver at all. There is a guidelines. "Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." What is wrong with that passages if we are not going to observe that? I am not saying that I am not willing to give, but tithe is not a requirements. Charis, if you want me to agree that tithe is a requirements, just show me a single word that He required His desciple to gave thier tithes to Him. Or you can show me that Jesus Christ made himself as an Example by fulfiling it. If the tithe really is a requirements I know that Jesus Christ will made Himself as an example by doing it. Baptism would you agree is important, Jesus Christ made himself an example when He required himself to be baptized by John. We all would agree that He dont do it for his own salvation (Because He is son of God all things created trough Him and By Him)but to show us how important it is. I think my argument is very simple, just show me those things, and I would agree. Thanks for your time, God bless, Johnny |
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4 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22263 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in Jesus' name! Friend, I do NOT require tithes for membership, not do I think that tithes are required by God for salvation. I think that tithes and offerings please God, whatever your financial status. This is obvious from the teachings of Jesus. The Lord never said that we were set free from a heart to give tithes. And He never said that it was a requirement for membership or salvation. So I teach exactly that. I am not sure why you have this focus on the 'legality' of the tithe. It is not a legal thing at all! Personally, I don't think it ever was, even in the Old Testament. I won't "put you away," but this is becoming tedious. After all, you claim that you tithe! I do too! Always have, and been blessed in it, even when I was in financial ruin. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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5 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22277 | ||
Hi charis, I hope you are not get rid in this discussion. I am interested with your statement in your last note. I am not sure why you have this focus on the 'legality' of the tithe. It is not a legal thing at all! Personally, I don't think it ever was, even in the Old Testament. I would share with you (if you are interested) the explaination regarding tithe in the Old testament. Tithe a tenth of the produce of the earth consecrated and set apart for special purposes. The dedication of a tenth to God was recognized as a duty before the time of Moses. Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek (Ge 14:20; Heb 7:6); and Jacob vowed unto the Lord and said, "Of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee." The first Mosaic law on this subject is recorded in Le 27:30-32. Subsequent legislation regulated the destination of the tithes (Nu 18:21-24,26-28; De 12:5-6,11,17; 14:22-23). The paying of the tithes was an important part of the Jewish religious worship. In the days of Hezekiah one of the first results of the reformation of religion was the eagerness with which the people brought in their tithes (2Ch 31:5-6). The neglect of this duty was sternly rebuked by the prophets (Am 4:4; Mal 3:8-10). It cannot be affirmed that the Old Testament law of tithes is binding on the Christian Church, nevertheless the principle of this law remains, and is incorporated in the gospel (1Co 9:13-14); and if, as is the case, the motive that ought to prompt to liberality in the cause of religion and of the service of God be greater now than in Old Testament times, then Christians outght to go beyond the ancient Hebrew in consecrating both themselves and their substance to God. Every Jew was required by the Levitical law to pay three tithes of his property (1) one tithe for the Levites; (2) one for the use of the temple and the great feasts; and (3) one for the poor of the land. 1. It was mention there that"a tenth of the produce of the earth consecrated and set apart for special purposes. The dedication of a tenth to God was recognized as a duty before the time of Moses" 2.The paying of the tithes was an important part of the Jewish religious worship. 3. The neglect of this duty was sternly rebuked by the prophets (Am 4:4; Mal 3:8-10). 4. Every Jew was required by the Levitical law to pay three tithes of his property. With those statement I dont think your right when said that it is not a legal thing for the Jewish Religion. It was really a requirements. In addition, Mr 12:42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. 42. Mr 12:43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: This widow that mentioned of Jesus Christ I am sure she's not giving the tithe, it was love offering. An there is no requirements there or guideline how much she can give, there is no guideline that she have to gave 10 percent 20 percent or any percent. This is really what I mean of a guidelines of Giving. I hope you get my point. God bless, Johnny |
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6 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22287 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in Jesus' name! Truly, you have a dizzying intellect! Honestly, I do not get your point. On one hand, you have said many, many times that we are not bound by the Law to pay tithes. Nevertheless, you state: "It cannot be affirmed that the Old Testament law of tithes is binding on the Christian Church, nevertheless the principle of this law remains, and is incorporated in the gospel (1Co 9:13-14); and if, as is the case, the motive that ought to prompt to liberality in the cause of religion and of the service of God be greater now than in Old Testament times, then Christians outght to go beyond the ancient Hebrew in consecrating both themselves and their substance to God. " This sounds just like asking for money, maybe even 'requiring' it! Also, these do not sound like your words. May I ask who you quote here? ' MY point was that even in the Old Testament the Lord desired that man obey from the heart, not by the letter. Abraham was justified by faith before circumcision, and before the Law. Also... "For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." Hebrews 10:4 NASB. This tells us that our sacrifice did not cleanse us, but God's grace. Finally, you keep using the word 'required,' but even in the Old Testament, tithes were not required for salvation, nor were you disowned from being an Israelite. Now, in Christ we are not 'required' but giving is still pleasing to God. Johnny, could you please tell me what you believe we SHOULD do concerning giving to God? Please, I beg of you, give me the short version! Don't just say, "Any amount you feel!" Also, don't tell me any more of what we should NOT do. I think I understand that we are not saved by tithing. Peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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7 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22411 | ||
Charis, Did I state that giving is not pleasing to God? What I mentioned here many times that if you can give more than 10 percent of your income it is acceptable to God. What wrong with this guideline of giving. I gave you the example of the widow, that mentioned of Jesus Christ, she gave everything she have, it is very clear that in the motive she gave more than a tithe. You quote me here,: In principle of this law remains, and is incorporated in the gospel (1Co 9:13-14); and if, as is the case, the motive that ought to prompt to liberality in the cause of religion and of the service of God be greater now than in Old Testament times, Of course the motive now of a Christian is more than what we have in the Old Testament times "In principle of this laws remains" of course do you think When we observed the two Great Commandments do we disobey the law? Please Answer.(with a passages support) We are fulfilling more, you would agree? When you love God with all your heart, with all your strenght, all your soul, what is it in the law did disobey? Please Answer? (with a passages support) When you love your nieghbor as you love yourself, What is it the law that you disobey? Pleas answer (with a passages support) That is why in principle this laws remains. I think it is very clear. The example of Apostle Paul is a very strong statement that the motive of Christian is strong in the Testament. The example of the widow is a very clear example that love offering is more acceptable to GOD. Your Question: This sounds just like asking for money, maybe even 'requiring' it! Also, these do not sound like your words. May I ask who you quote here? ' Can you prove to me that I mentioned that in the New Testament we dont need to give anymore? What I mentioned is the guideline should be came from the heart. I did not mention anything that we dont need to give, But my stand is God love a cheerful giver. Charis, Can you please prove me that I misused the scriptures when I depend my stand. You always mentioned "your point" can we turn this discussion into a biblical? meaning when you depend your stand support it with a passages in the Bibble. We are not arguing here just based on on personal knowledge but what scriptures says. If your stand is truly correct then support it with the passages in the Scriptures. You keep ignoring my argument my friend, My argument is, please show me that Jesus Christ taught his desciple to give tithes to Him. Or He required Himself as an Example to do so, like when He required himself when He asked John to baptize Him. Then I would agree that the tithe is the right guidelines of giving. I hope you wont ignore it this time. Thanks anyway for mentioning that I have a "DEZZYING INTELLECT" just prove your stand base on scriptures not with your own toughts. We have to look to the authorize of the books in the bible and not with our own reason. If you can prove me wrong base on the scriptures, then I will accept THAT I HAVE A "DEZZYING INTELLECT" God bless! Johnny |
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8 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | charis | 22413 | ||
Dear Johnny, I teach that tithes are an attitude of the heart, not a legal requirement. To me, the tithe is not so much an absolute amount, but a basic guideline that works for me in my church. It is not a burden to God's people, but a joy. I have never had to ask or beg for money from the pulpit, and our needs are always met, though we have never had a 'big giver' or 'sponsor.' Please do in your church as you see fit. No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,' because I really don't know what you are trying to say, even though you have posted voluminous Scripture to prove it. If you truly want to discuss New Testament giving, then please condense your thoughts into a simple paragraph. Then I will try my best to give you a Biblical answer. By the way, could it be that you are in the Philippines? I just wondered, because I have been there many times, and some of the situations describe sound familiar. Peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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9 | Releases from tithing 10 per cent? | 2 Cor 9:7 | jlpangilinan | 22416 | ||
Charis, You said, No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,' because I really don't know what you are trying to say, When you answer my note to (i dont recall) I am sure that You understand that my understanding of tithe is 10 percent. As a matter of fact the title of this question and answer is "release from 10 percent". What is tithe for you? it is 10 percent or not? If tithe is the same as love offering why Jesus Christ gave another guidelines. When you teach that tithe is an attitude of the heat what do you mean of this did you tell to co-churches that it is the same of love offering, or you tell to them that it is the ten percent of thier income. (i dont know if it is gross or net) You also mentioned that you dont understand what I am trying to say. Or you dont want to understand it. I gave the example of a widow, I know if you are a pastor (or whatsoever title that you have in your church)I know you read that passages and I know you understand it. That is the guideline, there is no require amount. You also mentioned "No, I will not get into a Bible 'tit for tat,'" Why? it seems you afraid that you cannot defend tithe using the scriptures, instead you want to convince me with your story. If I am in the discusion I am always try to defend my stand using scriptures and not using fairy tales. If you want to convince me, try to convince me using passages in the Bible. Like what I mentioned if you recall, if anyone can show me that Jesus Christ included tithe in His teaching, "I am ready to embrace that teaching again" This is my challenge to you now, show me. Our topic here is "TITHE" it is really in the Bible. I am interested in this topic because it is in the bible. I will not participating here in this forum for other things that not included in the bible. What is it you trying to prove? If you arguing me with your own knowledge, I will not be interested anymore, just prove me wrong using the scriptures and not with your own conclusions. Now if the tithe for you is not a ten percent, what is it for you? because if it is a ten percent, then you required people to give 10 percent of thier income. If you can answer what is tithe for you, is ten percent or not I think we can start a new discussion. But I really sure you understand it in the beggining of this discussion because it is the title of the question. My argument is very simple, but you did not try to disprove it. Again Here is my agrument: Please show me that Jesus Christ required himself to Give tithe. Or you can show me that He taught to His desciple to gave tithes. He required Himself to be baptize by John to set an example to us. If the tithe is a right guidelines why Jesus Christ dont do it as an example? Please disprove my stand using passages in the scriptures and not with your own. If you prove you are right using the scriptures then I would agree. When you taught people in the pulpit I am sure you taught them using the scriptures, why not trying to teach me using the scriptures? Just prove to me that I am wrong, but please use passages in the scriptures. I know you keep ignoring my argument, but I hope you are ready to answer it this time. I am not trying to offend you with the kind of questions, Just disprove them using the scriptures and I would agree. |
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