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1 | Paradise and the Kingdom of Heaven | 2 Cor 12:4 | 00123 | 225553 | ||
Two questions. (1) Is this Paradise the same as both ones in Luke 23:43 (And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.") and Rev 2:7 ('He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.')? (2) Is the Paradise the same as the Kingdom of Heaven? Thank you. God bless! | ||||||
2 | Paradise and the Kingdom of Heaven | 2 Cor 12:4 | EdB | 225556 | ||
My answer may open a can of worms but oh well. At the time of Luke 23:43 the Jews had this view of Hades which is often translated Hell. It was place of the spirit dead where they awaited final judgement. We can see this place described in Luke 16 starting in verse 19. Hades/Hell had two sections one a hot dry place and the other Paradise or Abraham Bosom where the righteous dead awaited their Messiah. Upon Jesus' death he descended into Hades/Hell and preached the "Good News" 1 Pet 4:6 Jesus then led the righteous dead in Abraham's bosom or Paradise to Heaven Eph 4:8. That side of Hade/Hell is now empty as Paul tells us to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. 2 Cor 5:8. I believe what Jesus was saying here was the thief was now considered rigtheous and would go to Hades (Jesus hadn't emptied it yet) with the rest of the righteous dead. Jesus would then preach the "Good News" and lead Captivity (the dead) captive to heaven. Now the paradise in Rev 2:7 is talking about Heaven or any place that God resides. Where God is, it is Heaven or Paradise. I hope that did not confuse you more. But you are right the word paradise is used to translate differnt places in the scripture. When it talks of Paradise or Abraham's bosom we know it is talking of the holding place for the righteous dead, that place is now empty. When it talks of paradise the dwelling place of God or uses the term paradise and presence of God we know it is talking of Heaven. Hope this helps. Hope I didn't open too many cans of worms. |
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3 | Paradise and the Kingdom of Heaven | 2 Cor 12:4 | DocTrinsograce | 225559 | ||
Dear Ed, This isn't dealing directly with the question, but is more of an aside regarding the Luke 16 passage you mention: The following short work "Discourse to the Greeks Concerning Hades" has been traditionally attributed to Josephus. (There is some evidence, however, that that might not be the case. Of course, regardless of its origins, it would not carry the same weight as Scripture!) The thing I find interesting is how closely it follows the pattern of Jesus' parable in Luke 16. If it were written by Josephus, then it might reflect the Rabbinic perspective of Paradise/Hades/etc. in the first century. On the other hand, the Gospel of Luke would have been extant and available to author at the time this essay was written. http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/hades.htm As I said, I would not suggest basing doctrine on this extra-biblical work. I wouldn't even suggest putting too fine a point on it. I am only offering it to those who might find it of interest. In Him, Doc |
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