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1 | speaking in tongues 1cor.12:1coming | 1 Cor 12:13 | prayon | 125283 | ||
Greetings Songbird, I agree with some of what you say but there are a couple things that were not accurate. The first is when you said "If every believer has been baptized in the Spirit, then it happens at the moment you accept Christ and become a Christian." Actually it does not. Acts 8:14-17 contradicts this. Notice verse 16 in particular "Before this the Holy Spirit had not come to any of the Samaritans. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." Therefore the baptism of the Holy Ghost does not come automatically when being born again. You also said that tongues is not for every believer. It is a gift to all. Acts tells of 5 instances that tongues were the evidence of the Holy Spirit's indwelling (see Acts 2,8,9,10, and 19), all who were baptized had the evidence of speaking in tongues except for one instance and it was alluded to. Tongues is for all Christians who meet the 5 conditions - Salvation, obedience, faith, asking, and yielding (please see my answer to MrOteng for scriptures and explanations). Mark 16:17 clearly states that those who are believers will speak in new languages "These are the miraculous signs that will accompany believers: They will use the power and authority of my name to force demons out of people. They will speak new languages." He does not say some of the believers he says ALL of the believers. Again in Acts 2:4 it says all believers "All the believers were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages as the Spirit gave them the ability to speak". Acts 2:38-39 again says all believers " Peter answered them, "All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift. There are 2 sides to tongues the public side and the private side. This is where the confusion lies. The private side of tongues is what was given in Acts 2,8,9,10 and 19. The private side of tongues is a devotional gift where you speak to God and edify yourself. Public tongues is a ministry gift of the Holy Spirit where you speak for God and edify the church. This gift is not given to everyone. Hope this clears up some stuff. prayon |
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2 | speaking in tongues 1cor.12:1coming | 1 Cor 12:13 | Hank | 125305 | ||
prayon: Acts 8:14-17 does not contradict 1 Corinthians 12:13! The Holy Spirit is the supernatural and sovereign agent in regeneration, baptizing ALL believers into the body of Christ, as 1 Corinthians 12:13 clearly teaches. ..... Regarding Acts 8:14-17: This passage does not support the false notion that Christians receive the Holy Spirit subsequent to salvation. This was a transitional period in which confirmation by the apostles was necessary to verify the inclusion of a new group of people into the church. Animosity existed between the Jews and Samaritans, and because of this it was essential for the Samaritans to receive the Spirit in the presence of the leaders of the Jerusalem church in order to maintain a unified church. The delay revealed also the need of the Samaritans to come under apostolic authority. The same transitional event occurred when the Gentiles were added to the church (Acts 11:44-46. See also Acts 15:6-12 and 19:6). ..... In Matthew 3:11, the baptism "with the Holy Spirit" refers to the spiritual rebirth of the regenerate who shall receive the baptism of the Spirit. This was normative for all believers in New Testament times and is no less true for all believers in our time. (Adapted from MacArthur Study Bible and King James Study Bible annotations). --Hank | ||||||
3 | speaking in tongues 1cor.12:1coming | 1 Cor 12:13 | prayon | 125312 | ||
Greetings Hank, I do not see how what I said can be a false notion. Receiving the HOly Spirit is seperate from being born again. Acts 8:15-16 tells us that the Samaritans were baptized in the name of Jesus but that Peter and John had to go to them and lay hands on them for them to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Again in Acts 10:45-48 it tells us the two are seperate. The Gentiles heard the word and were baptized in the HOly Ghost and began to speak in tongues. Peter then concluded "Can anyone forbid water that these, who have received the Holy Ghost as well as we, should not be baptized? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord." I have never read anywhere in the bible that there had or has to be a transitional period between being born again and being included in a church. You said that confirmation was necessary to verify the inclusion of a new group of people into the church. What would of happened if the apostales decided that they didn't want to let them into the church? Is there somewhere in scripture that says that the apostles had the authority to do that? Does that mean that when Jesus brings someone to salvation that if the apostles didn't believe that they should be included in the church that they overrule Jesus and say no? Does that meant that today when someone is born again that there has to be a transitional period so the pastors of a church can verify that the new converts will fall under the authority of the pastors? Where does it say in scripture that leader must be present for someone to receive the Spirit? I am not quite sure how you got the impression that I think Acts 8 contradicts 1Cor 12.... By the way Hank I has a slight bit of trouble looking up your Acts ll reference as Acts 11 only has 30 verses.... ;o) prayon |
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4 | speaking in tongues 1cor.12:1coming | 1 Cor 12:13 | Hank | 125324 | ||
prayon: Your copy of Acts doesn't have a 11:44-46? You must be using a Reader's Digest Bible :-) I'm kidding, of course; mine doesn't either. But it does have a 10:44-46, which is the reference that should have been cited. Sorry. --Hank | ||||||
5 | speaking in tongues 1cor.12:1coming | 1 Cor 12:13 | prayon | 125325 | ||
Oh well I knew somebody was going to catch me sooner or later......prayon | ||||||
6 | speaking in tongue | 1 Cor 12:13 | IBEAWUCHI | 125329 | ||
could you please expansiate the concept of speaking in tongue more to me | ||||||
7 | speaking in tongue | 1 Cor 12:13 | Mr.Oteng | 125332 | ||
Speaking in tongue in the first place is a gift of the Holy Spirit according to Apostle Paul in 1cointhians 12:1-11, 14:1,2. When we take a critical look at what happened in Acts 2:1-4 the main perpuse of this tongue was to minister the word of the Lord Jesus Christ to the people who were in Jerusalem.They were of different tribes and languages.so the spirit enabled each of them to speak in diff.language."a crowd came together in bewilderment,becuase each one heard them speaking in his own language"Acts 2:6. In the other hand,Ap.Paul agian said in 1cor.14:2 that the one speaking in tongues speaks to God and him self but not unto men.This means its help us in praying. |
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