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1 | Should we ask God for the gift of tongue | 1 Cor 12:11 | Searcher56 | 111619 | ||
Scripture ... Mar 16:17-18; Acts 2:41; 2:27; 4:4; 8:14-17; 8:34-39; 9:5-19; 10:44-48; 16:14-15; 16:31-34; 19:5-7 ... DO NOT select one of the signs of Mark 16:17-18. All these signs were seen together. I believe it was a promise for a few - the 11. Only twice of the ten conversion experiences in Acts, did the new Christian speak in tongues: -2:41 ... 3,000 saved. The 120 spoke in known languages (2:6 ff) -2:27 ... many daily -4:4 ... 5,000 saved -8:14-17 ... Samaritans -8:34-39 ... Ethopian -9:5-19 ... Paul (tho he spoke in tongues later (1 Cor 13:1)) *10:44-48 ... Cornelius and his house ... they did speak in tongues -16:14-15 ... Lydia -16:31-34 ... jailer and his house *19:5-7 ... about 12 disciples of John ... they did speak in tongues Plus, of the rest of Acts, on Paul's missionary trips - we do not see tongues being spoken, tho I believe he may have spoken in the local language (1 Cor 14:18). |
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2 | Should we ask God for the gift of tongue | 1 Cor 12:11 | prayon | 111764 | ||
Hi Searcher, If Mark 16:17-18 were meant only for the 11 it would of stated so. When he was refering to the apostles he always stated "the apostles" or "the twelve". Here it says believers therefore it means all believers. If believers meant apostles it would have to mean apostles in every instance it is mentioned. If it had different meanings in 2 different passages it would violate the principles of bible interpretation. Therefore Acts 4:4 "But many of those who had heard the message became believers, so the number of men who believed grew to about 5,000", would mean that those 5000 became apostles because they all spoke with tongues. This isn't possible because it would violate 1Co 12:29 "Not all believers are apostles, are they?..." Act 2:4 "All the believers were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other languages as the Spirit gave them the ability to speak." This verse is referring to those in the upper room, the 3ooo were from the crowd who heard them speaking. To address your statement of the 120 speaking in known languages - These are languages that the Spirit gave them the ability to speak. If the person already knew the language why did the Holy Spirit have to give them the ability to speak them? The languages they were speaking were unknown to them but others from the crowd recognized them as their own dialects (see vs 7-12.) If they were speaking their own known languages why were they amazed and perplexed? As for the 3000, they were baptized in water as John the baptist had baptized. It does not say anywhere in the passage that they were baptixed with the Holy Spirit as it does in the 5 passages I mentioned. 2:27? Not sure if you got the right scripture here... 4:4 - Here again there is no mention of a baptism of the Holy Ghost. 8:14-17: read on to verses 18-19. Here Simon saw evidence of the Holy Ghost after Peter and John laid hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit (v 17). It is believed that the evidence that Simon saw was them speaking in tongues. 8:34-39 again speaks of a water baptism. It does not mention a baptism of the Holy Spirit. 9:4-19 As you stated he spoke in tongues later Chap 10 and 19 you agree they spoke in tongues. 16:14-15; 31-34: again speaking of a water baptism. Whenever someone was baptized with the Holy Spirit it specifically states that it was the baptism of the Holy spirit. Summary: Four out of 5 cases tongues was the initial evidence. In the 5th case tongues is alluded to. If 100 percent of the cases in Acts the initial evidence of being filled with the Spirit was tongues then tongues must be important. Mark 16:17-18: As you said these signs are to be taken together. I am going to assume that you agree that the name of Jesus has Power in it. When we use His name we use the power associated with it. "These are the miraculous signs that will accompany believers: They will use the power and authority of my name to force demons out of people. They will speak new languages. They will pick up snakes, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them. They will place their hands on the sick and cure them." Today we 1) speak new languages. 2) Some have the gift of healing and lay hands on the sick and they do recover. 3) There are devils being cast out of people today. 4) I havn't heard of snakes being picked up but I have heard a lot of other miraculous things that have happened. Jesus said "Mar 16:17 "These are some of the signs that will accompany believers". He didn't say apostles, He said believers. I am a believer. You are a believer. These miraculous signs follow us as well if we choose. This is a promise from Him to us. prayon |
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3 | Prayon, Do you claim the other 4, too? | 1 Cor 12:11 | Searcher56 | 111777 | ||
On Mark 16:17-18 ... Do you will cast out demons, in His name? Do you pick up serpents, and not get hurt? Do you drink any deadly poison, and not get hurt? Do you lay hands on the sick, and they will recover? ... You MUST do them all. I believe not all promises are for everyone, do you? |
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4 | Prayon, Do you claim the other 4, too? | 1 Cor 12:11 | prayon | 111824 | ||
Searcher, I do believe that when God makes a promise to believers it is for everyone who is a believer. Do you cast out demons in His name? Yes I have. Do I lay hands on the sick and the recover? Yes I have Do I pick up serpents? If by serpents you mean snakes? Yes I have - Ever heard of the Rattlesnakes at Silver Springs in Orlando, FL? I have also walked up and took bones out of guard dogs mouths that the owners say should of killed me. Do I drink deadly poisons? To my knowledge I have not. But I know that I have eaten things that should of made me very sick, it did other people, but it did not bother me. prayon |
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5 | Prayon, Do you claim the other 4, too? | 1 Cor 12:11 | Searcher56 | 111827 | ||
Not all promises made in the Bible are for everyone, including Mark 16:17-18. Since you have not drank deadly poisons, this promise fall short for you. | ||||||
6 | Prayon, Do you claim the other 4, too? | 1 Cor 12:11 | prayon | 111840 | ||
No it is not, first of all I have not died yet - I still have a life ahead of me. (Henry) Deadly poisons - "If they be compelled by their persecutors to drink any deadly poisonous thing" not that they were hereby warranted to drink poison, to show what power they had; but should they accidentally drink it, or rather should they be forced to it by their enemies in order to destroy them, they should find no hurt by it (Gill) I guess this couldn't apply to even the apostles then because the bible does not give an example of this happening. Also if taking this literally it can violate the Principle of Literature in Bible Interpretation. prayon |
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7 | Prayon, Do you claim the other 4, too? | 1 Cor 12:11 | Searcher56 | 111844 | ||
So is drinking deadly poison the only one to not be taken literally? Who decides what should be taken literally? If a Christian was forced to drink deadly poison does this eman he was not a believer ... or this promise is false? My point is that while some of these promises may be fulfilled today, it doesn't have to mean this passage is the basis. The reason for these signs was because the preaching of the Gospel was new and they were needed. Even more, speaking in a tongue of the natives - new to the speaker only. Also, Satan has copied all these signs, or faked them. |
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