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1 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | pooterputter | 209151 | ||
The bible clearly states (from Paul's point of view, not the churches, 1 Cor 11:16) That women should have their head covered. But what I wonder is besides the carnal aspect what could the spiritual aspect be? | ||||||
2 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | peacebestill | 209212 | ||
pooterputter I have not been around all that long myself, but it looks like this lady Tamara is no longer posting, or at least has not posted since a while. I actually found her question quite interesting and went nosing around through this and some other of her posts... Most interesting stuff! I wonder if she is still a member, does anybody know if she is still around? I thought this was pretty darn deep and was also surprised by some of the responses here... The responses to her confused me as it seems she had no interest in thinking that the rather quaint convention of wearing hats was suppossed to be something others should be doing today per say. Rather, it seems that Paul had some theological point? And that that point has something to do with either practices in past history that do not apply today, or with universal practices for all time for all Christians? Very interesting indeed... In answer to you, I think from reading all her posts in this whole long thread that the spiritual idea of headship in Christ between men and women in the church is the spiritual aspect. And how this would work according to her would be that a woman would, because she respects both her husband, and the male leaders in the church, and as a symbol to the angels that she is respecting their authority over her life would wear a hat. And that men would wear thier hair short, or at least shorter than women's. At least that is what I got out of all that she said. But it seems as if nobody quite picked up on that. It seems like that was where she was headed and the whole thread became more about trying to convince her that the concept of wearing a hat was something she was trying to push on others, or that she was mistakenly focusing on as some sort of external practice having no internal value. I see a really exegetical question here and nothing more, but I can't speak for anyone else in here, that is just me. Questions like this one and others she had is the type of thing that make a forum like this one a very valuable resource. At least for me it does. Now my appetite is whet... 2 Timothy 2:15, 2 Timothy 3:16 peacebestill |
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3 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 209214 | ||
Dear peacebestill: I found your post very insightful. Tamara is quite an interesting subject, can you give me more insight? I too am interested in how she may have been misunderstood. You seem to have an inate sence about things. :-) John |
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4 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | peacebestill | 209224 | ||
John Yes Tamara seems very insteresting. But as I am not her I could not possibly have any innate sense of anything about her. Innate means an internal understanding as separate from an outside understanding, or learning experience. I became interested in Tamara after reading what pooterputter wrote in answer to her and what she wrote that they were answering to. Then I went into her profile to see what she was about and what other posts she had. Post number 203926 is an exegetical question as it addresses whether Paul was making a moral indication of a command and whether or not that should be left in the past to history, or whether it applies to now. Post number 203935 had about 5 different exegetical concerns about whether or not what was a normal practice in the first century is to now be applied today as a universal practice. And the basis for the criteria she presented were purely exegetical concerns based on the nature of questions alone. For instance; 1)Should what was normal to Christians historiacally speaking be normal to Christians now? 2)The Biblical principle of headship in Christ was laid out by Paul and included specfic instructions to the church of what to do and this exegetically is always a consideration in getting the right interpretation and the right application. 3)Transference is a serious theological mistake and is a big exegetical no, no; transference occurs when we think that what Christians were doing, and what the Bible says to do is no longer relevant because the practices of society, believers, and social norms has changed. This is the problem of liberalism which states that we need to recognize that certain things are no longer important from the Bible because people are no longer living that way. And so they spiritualize the texts and allegorize the texts and stray far, far from the heart of Sola Scriptura. 4)Following a moral command given by Paul, as all commands in the Bible about what to be doing as an active outward expression of obedience to Christ automatically becomes a moral command, is not legalism - that is exegetically correct in every respect. It may not be popular in the practice of certain scriptures because we have moved off of how people did things in the first century, but it is absolutely theologically correct. 5)Posts number 203968, 205372, 2041179, 204147, and 203720 - these are all purely exegetical in nature in asking vairous questions that arise in the areas of doing exegesis; context, content, history, grammar, literary concerns, use of the langauge accross scriptures, the author's intent to his audience, the intrepretation, the application, staying true to what the text meant to the readers in the first century without trying to change the meaning to fit how we now do things, the unversality of moral and behavior commands for all time based on a literal interpretation of the Bible alone, and on and on. There are so many questions of exegesis in sub categories of categories that when doing it, it is best to understand that the text it self has to be the outline of the process along with the actual areas of exegesis that have to be covered. Each text is said to have it's own "problems", a technical term not meant to insinuate that the Bible is not applicable to today, but that there are many things that are not on the surface clear as to what the author meant exactly for people to do, what the grammar means in Greek exaclty, how what we do differs from what they were doing back then and whether or not that is correct for us to be doing now the way we do it. For all the reasons I just listed, I have no understanding at all as a Bible study teacher, as a Bible study student, how it is that she was obviously misunderstood... It is simple, exegesis asks hard questions of the text that require work to get the answer, and the idea that the doing of that is pushing an idea, or somehow a foray into an external practice missing an internal walk with God is way, way off. That is truly what I see about this issue, but I do not judge anyone here. I just don't understand the posts that followed hers in a lot of instances because they do not make sense to me as a teacher, as a student, or as a Christian. 2 Timothy 2:12 Be dilgent to present yourself approved of God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. Here is the simplest explanation of exegesis I have ever found, but it leaves a whole lot of things out. It would take a paper of essay proportions to really do the concept of exegesis real justice... http://webmail.mobap.edu/mcclain/HTML percent sign 20files/SBFCY-web.htm peacebestill |
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5 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 209245 | ||
Dear peacebestill: Thanks, but you know, the way I see it, (and I mean no offense) some people, feel the need to just chew, and chew, on the Word of God, until there is pretty much nothing left, but mush. God bless John |
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6 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | DocTrinsograce | 209246 | ||
Must be some of those fellas in Exodus 6:19. :-) | ||||||
7 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 209249 | ||
Oh. So that must be why they called that one guy Muchi. :-) | ||||||