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1 | Why would we be undone? | 1 Cor 11:30 | Rowdy | 120423 | ||
Hank, I must admit I thought you were the biggest proponent of sticking to the Bible and quote Bible scriptures whenever possible. But I keep on getting messages from you and seeing your other statements throughout the Forum, several of which don't have a hint of any scripture but instead talk of terms I've never seen. Please define this new word "soteriology" as it certainly isn't in the Bible. And please cite scriptures in support of this concept. Please do one more favor for me and respond to the points I've made with scriptures in my Post Nos 120368 and 120278. You and BradK seem to be dodging these points and the scriptures related to them. I was hoping to have gained more ground in this thread of discussion by now. It seems we're not getting anywhere off the ground at all. I'll try one more time. Please believe me when I say I don't understand the actual mechanics of how God makes Grace in His plan blend in with the concept of works as defined by James and by Jesus in Matt 25 or the fruit that He DEMANDS in John 15. All I know is that we WILL most definitely be judged by all the words of the NT as they've all been blessed by the Lord Jesus Christ as Sovreign of this dispensation. That means yes, very definitely Grace will be extended to all of God's children BUT we must prove we have that faith when we get to Heaven. We can't just say "Lord, Lord, I became a christian and went to worship every Sunday of my christian life," and hope that will get us through the Pearly Gates. So in this scenario, works is just confirmation (proof) of the Spirit from within us. Otherwise, the most evil person in the world could just before he dies, lay claim to the name Jesus and expect to go to Heaven. If he lays claim to that same gift of Grace as you and I, how's our Lord going to know other than looking for evidence of true repentance, acts of obedience throughout his life, etc. Do you have specific verses to address these concerns and reconcile these points? I anxiously await your reply and God bless. --Rowdy |
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2 | Why would we be undone? | 1 Cor 11:30 | BradK | 120425 | ||
Rowdy, I can't speak for Hank, but I will address 3 points here: 1. We are seriously failing to communicate, my friend! 2. I am not "dodging" any point. However, if we don't get a basic understanding of the terminology and definitions regarding how we're saved (that's Soteriology), it's useless to continue. We'll play cat and mouse ad infinitum. 3. As to John 15, it must be understood in light of Pauline doctrine regarding salvation. Remember, Christ had not yet died on the cross. In short, I do not base my ENTIRE understanding of salvation or Eternal Security upon this passage. The thief on the cross was told by the Lord that "today you will be with Me in paradise". His faith in recognizing that Christ was the savior must have been sufficient. Lastly, this is just a recommendation, but if you're not familiar with terms such as Soteriology, etc. you might want to consider reading a work on Systematic Theology. (Lewis Sperry Chafer is good- there are many others as well). Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Why would we be undone? | 1 Cor 11:30 | Sir Pent | 120426 | ||
Attempt at consensus.................................................. Hi everybody, I don't think there is as much disagreement here as you all seem to think that there is. That being said, I would like to add my two cents. We all agree that only God has the power and authority to justify us. Don't we all agree that God giving us this privaledge of salvation that we do not deserve is grace? Don't we all agree that if we accept this free gift of God and become Christians, there is a change in who we are? Don't we all agree that after who we are is changed, that our life will change as well. Our actions will align more and more with the will of God? Don't we all agree that there are people who continually live in a way that is offensive to God and they do not even try to please Him? The fruit of these people indicate that they have never been changed on the inside regardless of their claims. Therefore, it is true that salvation comes by faith alone. However, it is also true that a person's life is one evidence of whether they truly have faith or not. |
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