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1 | Why would we be undone? | 1 Cor 11:30 | Rowdy | 120423 | ||
Hank, I must admit I thought you were the biggest proponent of sticking to the Bible and quote Bible scriptures whenever possible. But I keep on getting messages from you and seeing your other statements throughout the Forum, several of which don't have a hint of any scripture but instead talk of terms I've never seen. Please define this new word "soteriology" as it certainly isn't in the Bible. And please cite scriptures in support of this concept. Please do one more favor for me and respond to the points I've made with scriptures in my Post Nos 120368 and 120278. You and BradK seem to be dodging these points and the scriptures related to them. I was hoping to have gained more ground in this thread of discussion by now. It seems we're not getting anywhere off the ground at all. I'll try one more time. Please believe me when I say I don't understand the actual mechanics of how God makes Grace in His plan blend in with the concept of works as defined by James and by Jesus in Matt 25 or the fruit that He DEMANDS in John 15. All I know is that we WILL most definitely be judged by all the words of the NT as they've all been blessed by the Lord Jesus Christ as Sovreign of this dispensation. That means yes, very definitely Grace will be extended to all of God's children BUT we must prove we have that faith when we get to Heaven. We can't just say "Lord, Lord, I became a christian and went to worship every Sunday of my christian life," and hope that will get us through the Pearly Gates. So in this scenario, works is just confirmation (proof) of the Spirit from within us. Otherwise, the most evil person in the world could just before he dies, lay claim to the name Jesus and expect to go to Heaven. If he lays claim to that same gift of Grace as you and I, how's our Lord going to know other than looking for evidence of true repentance, acts of obedience throughout his life, etc. Do you have specific verses to address these concerns and reconcile these points? I anxiously await your reply and God bless. --Rowdy |
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2 | Why would we be undone? | 1 Cor 11:30 | TheFinalSQL | 120427 | ||
Rowdy, Here are a couple of scriptures that may assist you: Your name is written in the Book of Life when you are saved/born again. Psalms 87:6 The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah. If your name can be removed, then there is no such thing as once saved always saved. Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. If you commit sin, you are separated from God: Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. However, God does give us time to repent. Revelation 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Praise the Lord! Norm |
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3 | Why would we be undone? | 1 Cor 11:30 | kalos | 120432 | ||
"From the foundation of the world" Is your name written in the Book of Life when you are saved/born again? When were our names written in the book of life? "From the foundation of the world." Before the first man was ever born, the names were written in the book of life. Rev 17:8 NASB "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come." Rev 13:8 (NASB) All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. 'In these passages John informs us about the time when the book of life was filled out. This information comes as a surprise. Without it, our assumption would be that when men or women put their trust in Christ, their names were added at that moment. But that is not the case at all. The book of life has been complete since the foundation of the world' (www.intouch.org). |
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4 | Why would we be undone? | 1 Cor 11:30 | Rowdy | 120634 | ||
Kalos, this statement seems to be saying you believe in predestination. Do you actually believe we don't have a very real and genuine opportunity to direct our lives and the ultimate place for our eternal souls? I must admit I believe very strongly against such a concept. If we were predestined from the very begining, there wouldn't be any real point to our being created. In my mind, there wouldn't be anything very glorious about God creating a bunch of beings who have already been "pigeon holed" into their ultimate destination for eternity. Why would God want to send His Son to save us from our sins when he clearly knows that the majority won't accept this gift of salvation? Yes, I know He predicts the "broad and wide gate" to Hell but I don't think He's already eliminated our option to go there if we choose to. I do hope to hear that this is an erroneous conclusion on my part and that you don't really believe in predestination. If you do believe in predestination, I do hope you are basing your belief in more scriptures than what you've offered here. Almost everything depicted in Revelation is so difficult to interpret correctly since so much of it is figurative and/or symbolic for something else. God bless. --Rowdy |
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