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1 | Remaking of the Will | Rom 8:7 | Wild Olive Shoot | 173660 | ||
Dear Brother Mark, Referencing Jeremiah 18:6 you asked: “These are God's words to a nation. Does God make the same statement in a form and context applicible individually to each person?” Have you considered God’s word through Paul? Romans 9:20-24: 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? WOS |
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2 | Remaking of the Will | Rom 8:7 | mark d seyler | 173662 | ||
Hi WOS, Good passage to discuss concerning this topic! So the question is, does this passage teach us that God has autonomously, unilaterally, preselected some men to be saved, and preselected the vast majority to burn in the lake of fire. I would like to ask you this: Who are those that the Bible tells us God has hardened, or will harden, their hearts? We know that God chooses to regenerate one man and to not regenerate another. And this text amply demonstrates His ability and right to do and not do that. But what is His criteria in choosing? Let's look at exactly what this passage does and does not teach about this question. We see "vessels ready, or ripe, for destruction", and "vessels of mercy, prepared before unto glory". But does this passage teach us the criteria which God has used, to set one from the other? I don't think it does. I think we have to go to other passages to find that. What do you think? Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | Remaking of the Will | Rom 8:7 | Wild Olive Shoot | 173668 | ||
Brother Mark, I think what we learn is that the criterion simply is God’s sovereign choice. He calls as He pleases. Galatians 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, I’ll offer the following to support that claim. 2Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, Ephesians 1:3-6: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 2Thessalonians 2:13, 14: 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Peter 1:2: Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Actually, my post wasn’t intended to support either side of the discussion. I was simply posting in reference to the question you raised concerning Jeremiah 18:6 and the applicability to individuals. You and I have discussed somewhat in depth, I think, our thoughts pertaining to the will of man and God specifically at regeneration, so I have a pretty good impression of where you currently stand regarding the “remaking of the will”. Again, my post was only in reference to the verse from Jeremiah that was quoted. I haven’t been following closely enough or sadly, put forth much effort for any further discernment on the topic. You’ll excuse my brevity on that account? Just one quick thought however pertaining to God’s instructions of choosing Him, don’t you think that rather than putting the ultimate choice out of His sovereign hands that He is simply commanding obedience and then enables us to carry it out? Just a thought. WOS |
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4 | Remaking of the Will | Rom 8:7 | mark d seyler | 173686 | ||
Hi WOS, I sure appreciate the kind spirit in which you write! :-) And you are correct, thank you for reminding me, we have discussed this at length before, you and I. So I will not respond in length, unless you should make clear to me that you wish to continue the dialogue, and I will only reply to your "quick thought", with one of my own: I believe that He does command obedience, and that we can only obey if He enables us to. Act 17:30 Truly, then, God overlooking the times of ignorance, now strictly commands all men everywhere to repent, He commands "all men everywhere" to repent. Does He offer His help to all men, even if only for a season? Love in Christ, Mark |
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