Results 1 - 3 of 3
|
|
|||||
Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Ordered by Verse | ||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
1 | Five words: see also 1 Cor 14:2 | Rom 8:16 | Ray | 114452 | ||
Hi Tara1, I am pleased that you are interested and are willing to talk about these things. I'll give you what limitted Greek knowledge I have. My Greek-English Interlinear copies show the word in question as being "auto", Strong's #846, rather than "outos", Strong's #3778. "Autos" can be translated "he, she, or it"; [Himself, herself, itself]. So it would be up to the translator to decide what the context would determine, and a translator would know also the affecting grammar and word endings, etc. For me, I can only go by the context of the passage and the other Scriptures which apply. For me, if one is going to capitalize Spirit as for instance the King James does for John 4:24, "God is a Spirit", then the appropriate pronoun to my mind would be "Spirit Himself" for Romans 8:16. I know that the Spirit can be grieved; that He has a mind and emotions, so I know Him to be a Person. However, I am more open than most perhaps to also see occasions when the Scriptures are talking about a spirit within us that is given by Him and that is not the Person. Romans 8:9 has a "Spirit" in most translations that I now feel should be lower case "spirit". Romans 8:9, "However, you are not in the flesh but in the *spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God/ dwells in you. Romans 8:15, "...but you have received a *spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, 'Abba! Father!/'" The passage of Romans 8:9-16 has five occurances of "spirit" to my mind; these five words can be compared to 1 Corinthians 14:2-16 where five occurances of "spirit" will be found. These to my mind are the "five words" of 1 Cor 14:18,19, "I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19 however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind, that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue." From the heart, Ray |
||||||
2 | Five words: see also 1 Cor 14:2 | Rom 8:16 | Tara1 | 114491 | ||
Hello Ray, You make some interesting comments here and I guess you're right about "auto". Looking in several interlinears, I note some have what yours has and some have "autos". But regardless, it appears that either of these and be translated according to context as "itself or himself". One literal translations says "the very spirit", staying neutral perhaps. Tara1 |
||||||
3 | Five words: see also 1 Cor 14:2 | Rom 8:16 | Ray | 114517 | ||
Hi Tara1, I think that your perception is correct, in that they may have desired to stay neutral by translating "the very spirit". In thinking about the very [same] spirit I thought of the word "same" and then John 1:2 where "The same" is the Greek word "outos". I would think that if we capitalize the "Word" that we would capitalize "this One" in John 1:2. 2) I was also led to consider a comparison/contrast between Romans 8:16 and John 1:12. I don't know the exact mix of the Persons in these comparisons and I wouldn't call them "perfect matches", but it is something to think about. The slashes and parentheses are mine for comparisons. Romans 8:15, "but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father/ ". 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of (God), 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with **Christ,..." Galatians 4:6, "And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit/ of His Son into our hearts, crying, "(Abba!) Father!" 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through **God." All the Jews did not receive Him. John 1:12, "But as many as received Him/, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in (His) name, 13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the **Word became flesh, and dwelt among us..." If we behold *His glory we know that it is the glory that this *One had in the beginning with God. Thanks again for your interest and comments. From the heart, Ray |
||||||