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1 | Salvation by compulsion-Romans 5 | Rom 5:1 | formereverything | 121841 | ||
Romans 5 seems to be promoting a salvation by compulsion. Am I not getting this correctly? Note the term "Dominion" in this verse: 17 If, because of the one man's trespass, death exercised dominion through that one, much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness exercise dominion in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. I think of the word 'dominion' as being devoid of choice. Note the term 'just as' in these verses: 18 Therefore just as one man's trespass led to condemnation for all, so one man's act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all. 19 For just as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. Adam's sin brought sin automatically on every person born. Does these verses imply that salvation or grace rather, is automatic ' just as' sin is automatic? This seems so in light of the next verse: 20 But law came in, with the result that the trespass multiplied; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, |
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2 | Salvation by compulsion-Romans 5 | Rom 5:1 | Hank | 121853 | ||
formereverything: I'm not quite sure of what you're asking. What translation do you quote from? I consulted five major translations, KJV, NKJV, NASB, NIV and ESV. None of them used "dominion" in this passage from Romans 5. Read on. Read all of Paul's arguments from Romans 1 through Romans 10. I find no evidence whatever that Paul is teaching any "salvation by compulsion." The term is meaningless to me; I have no idea of what it means to you, but I can't see it as being a biblical concept at all. Paul in Romans 3:23 says that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" and in 5:21 he draws the stark contrast between unregenerate and regenerate man: "so that as sin reigned (had dominion?) in death, even so grace would reign (have dominion?) through righteousness to eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord." But there is no idea of "salvation by compulsion" in any of these passages. Compulsion involves the act or condition of being driven or urged by force. Where does the Bible teach that God forces His salvation upon anyone? "The Spirit and the bride say, 'Come.' Let the one who hears say, 'Come.' And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost." [Rev. 22:17]. Do you see any coercion, any "salvation by compulsion" in this Bible invitation? Our Lord said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me." [Rev. 3:20]. Again, no coercion, no arm twisting, no hint of "salvation by compulsion." Man is a free moral agent, not a puppet. God does not "compel" him to believe. He does not force His gift of grace on man. He says, "Let the one who wishes take of the water of life without cost." --Hank | ||||||
3 | Salvation by compulsion-Romans 5 | Rom 5:1 | formereverything | 121856 | ||
I referred to the NRSV of the Bible but here is the amplified: Even here note the terms reigned, unmerited,putting them, made acceptable, superabounded. "17For if because of one man's trespass (lapse, offense) death reigned through that one, much more surely will those who receive [God's] overflowing grace (unmerited favor) and the free gift of righteousness [putting them into right standing with Himself] reign as kings in life through the one Man Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One). 18Well then, as one man's trespass [one man's false step and falling away led] to condemnation for all men, so one Man's act of righteousness [leads] to acquittal and right standing with God and life for all men. 19For just as by one man's disobedience (failing to hear, [1] heedlessness, and carelessness) the many were constituted sinners, so by one Man's obedience the many will be constituted righteous (made acceptable to God, brought into right standing with Him). 20But then Law came in, [only] to expand and increase the trespass [making it more apparent and exciting opposition]. But where sin increased and abounded, grace (God's unmerited favor) has surpassed it and increased the more and superabounded, 21So that, [just] as sin has reigned in death, [so] grace (His unearned and undeserved favor) might reign also through righteousness (right standing with God) which issues in eternal life through Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One) our Lord." - Amplified Bible My point is that I am trying to understand why paul felt the need to use such forceful language when discussing grace. Even the author of the message sees the agression in these verses: "18Here it is in a nutshell: Just as one person did it wrong and got us in all this trouble with sin and death, another person did it right and got us out of it. But more than just getting us out of trouble, he got us into life! 19One man said no to God and put many people in the wrong; one man said yes to God and put many in the right. 20All that passing laws against sin did was produce more lawbreakers. But sin didn't, and doesn't, have a chance in competition with the aggressive forgiveness we call grace. When it's sin versus grace, grace wins hands down."- The Message It seems that in my reveiew of many translations, that the general understanding is, that apart from us, salvation is general or universal in one aspect. That being that everyone will be ressurected whether they like it or not.Because eternal life is a direct result of grace and not of personal merit. Eternal Life doesn't imply Heaven, but rather Immortality. P.S. Hank don't get so emotional. |
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4 | Salvation by compulsion-Romans 5 | Rom 5:1 | Hank | 121862 | ||
formereverything: __"P.S. Hank, don't get so emotional."__ ..... It is not my practice to base theological statements or conclusions upon emotion but on Scripture, as I did my best to do in the post that spurred you to add an advisory P.S. How, therefore, are you able to infer that my answer to your question was a product of my emotion? ...... Scripture never teaches, as you seem to imply, that salvation is general or universal. Frankly, if my first answer does not answer your question clearly and to your personal satisfaction, I have no inclination, based on the conviction that it would be of no consequence, to argue the point with you further. I'm curious, did you carelly read and study the first 10 chapters of Romans as I recommended before you responded to my answer? If you did, I commend you on being a far swifter reader and student than anyone I know. --Hank | ||||||
5 | Salvation by compulsion-Romans 5 | Rom 5:1 | formereverything | 121898 | ||
perhaps I should have stated that you come across harsh in your postings rather than attempt to label you. I apologize for this. I must be truthful though, having read many of your responses, I'm sure I'm not the only one who wishes there was an ignore button on this forum | ||||||