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1 | Evangelicals and Catholics | Rom 3:28 | Brian.g | 12438 | ||
Number 1, 2 and 3 The full answer to these questions - the proof you are seeking - is a very long answer, which does not lend itself to this forum and in reality, I don't know if I am the person that can give you the full proof you seek. I will answer your questions, but please allow me the right to summarize in places, and accept some of my discussion as having a foundation. John Paul II (1978 to present), our current Pope is the 265th, with Peter (years 32 to 67) being the first. The second Pope, Linus (67 to 76 or 79), is thought to be the same Linus, Timothy refered to in 2 Timothy 4:21. The Church recognizes 30 antipopes. An antipope is a false claimant of the Holy See in opposition to a pontiff canonically elected. First, why Rome for the location of the Church. Peters final years were spent in Rome, or more specifically, in an area known as Ager Vaticanus. This area did not belong to ancient Rome, nor was it built within the walls of Rome. This is were Peter died and was buried. This simply became the physical center of the Church. When Peter lead the Church, he created a Senate consistng of 24 priests and deacons - this is documented. One of the roles of this Senate was to elect the new Pope - with Linus being the first Pope elected by men. Over time, the Senate structure while having taken different shapes - has remained constant. Keep in mind, Peter gave formal organizational structure to the Church. This is important, because this is the correcting factor when the office of the Pope was occupied by a man who was more interested in this world, than in heaven. It is through this election of the Pope by the Senate (College of Cardinals), this formal organization created by Peter, which enables us to discern who the properly elected pontiffs were as opposed to the antipopes, who, at the same time, were claiming the Church. How do we know Peter was choosen by Jesus to head his Church. Three reasons: first, Matthew 16:17-19, And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church Second: In numerous references within the Bible, when Jesus spoke to the Apostles as a group, He directed His conversation to Peter Mathew 26:40 - And He came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, "So, you men could not keep watch with Me for one hour? Third, on various occasions Peter speaks in the name of the other Apostles (Matthew 15:15; 19:27; Luke 12:41, etc.). Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?" Is there anyplace in the Bible where Jesus flat out said 'Peter - your the first Pope', no. It is not the strength or depth of the discussion between Jesus and Peter, it is the fact that it was Peter acting as the representative head of the Apostles with Jesus. Did Jesus intend for Peter to be the head of the Church, or did Peter just assume this role. I believe Jesus selected Peter. |
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2 | Evangelicals and Catholics | Rom 3:28 | glory777 | 12666 | ||
You have stated that Peter spoke for the rest of the apostles and wo was the leader. If he truly was the leader, why was there discussion about who would be the greatest, ie.Luke 22; and in one scripture (help!) they asked who would sit on His right hand when He came into His kingdom. He did not show favoritism or choose one as a leader. Debbie |
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3 | Evangelicals and Catholics | Rom 3:28 | Brian.g | 12722 | ||
Debbie Have you ever heard a parent say to their arguing child: "I'm right, because I'm your father(mother) and I said I'm right, now quit arguing." In any form of government, we need a leader and that leader needs to be able to make a final decision and then everyone can move forward from that point. Just as the parent above, there is a time for discussion and debate, which the Church allows, and then the time comes in which a final decision needs to be made, so the familly can function as one, instead of living in the seperation created by constant arguing and challenging of each other. Someone in a family must be a leader and the other members of the family must accept that person. The acceptance of that person as the leader may be called by some, as submission. Other may call it trust in the leader of the family. Some may accept that persons leadership out fo humility and some may accept that persons leadership and decisions on the basis that they know the leader is only concerned about making the right decision for the good of the family. The Pope is the leader of a Church. The Pope is a man. The Pope is not God. The Pope is a man. When making a decision, we are hopeful that the Pope is seeking guidance from the Holy Spirit, in the same way a congregation is hoping that their Pastor is seeking guidance from the Holy Spirit. In this forum, there has been discussion regarding the responsibility a Bible class teacher has to his/her students. If the teacher is not teaching God's law properly, the teacher is doing a grave injustice to the student, who is relying on this knowledge and guidance to properly serve God. The role of the Church is to insure proper understanding of God's law in order to properly educate its members. Look at all of the different Churches which have been formed by people leaving the Catholic Church and think of all of the time and energy spent fighting the Church as the enemy. The Church is not the enemy, Satan is. Focus your hatred and distaste towards the true enemy and unite with those who are fighting the same enemy as you. Satan is successful in dividing the House of Jesus among itself and keeping everyone's attention on infighting, rather than on him. I realize that the members of this forum are dedicated and commited to God. Would we not have done a better job of serving God if we had taken the 100-200 man hours spent here debating Papal infallibility and instead, spent this time serving God, by reaching out to our fellow man to fight Satan. Aren't we falling into Satans trap of dividing our house to fight each other, instead of fighting Satan. Luke 11: 17-18 17: Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: "Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. 18: If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? Today, we are seeing the birth of a new sin - probably the greatest sin ever tempting man - taking the life of an unborn baby and selling it for a profit to prolong the life of another. Who will join this Catholic in fighting Satan on this sin rather than debating each other on who is the better Christian. Can we unite our house of Christianity to serve God? Is anybody up for a really good fight? - Let me know. |
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4 | Evangelicals and Catholics | Rom 3:28 | Norrie | 12790 | ||
Brain, how many times are you going to post that? Enough already!!! I think all anybody is trying to say is get out of a church that corrupted and follow the Word, not these men. These men are/were/always will be corrupted and even when you're old enough to know better, if your parents are telling you something that goes against God, you can still say NO!!! Any churh that calls for blind alliegence is a cult-get out!!! |
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